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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-11

@JamMom89 @firegirl2510 @Chad4328 I’m not sure how any of that proves I’m wrong. 1. Agreed that God is our authority. 2. Agreed that Eve was deceived first. 3. Agreed that Satan chose her first. 4. Nowhere does the text say she convinced Adam, only t...

@JamMom89 @firegirl2510 @Chad4328 I’m not sure how any of that proves I’m wrong. 1. Agreed that God is our authority. 2. Agreed that Eve was deceived first. 3. Agreed that Satan chose her first. 4. No

1Co11:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-11

@smashbaals @AaronInWriting Right, but leading or teaching is not what it means

@smashbaals @AaronInWriting Right, but leading or teaching is not what it means to be a man.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-06

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii He also says that women cannot “teach authoritatively”—but what does this even mean? Do we listen to a pastor or elder because they speak “authoritatively” (like the pope) or because they are Biblical and right? What would ...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii He also says that women cannot “teach authoritatively”—but what does this even mean? Do we listen to a pastor or elder because they speak “authoritatively” (like the pope) o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@Disco_Missiles @MikeWingerii There’s no need for a Joe when we already know tha

@Disco_Missiles @MikeWingerii There’s no need for a Joe when we already know that there is a prominent woman who seems capable of teaching Apollos more accurately. Naming a woman as the author of a le

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@avyargo @MikeWingerii Oh, now you have convinced me why the author to the Hebre

@avyargo @MikeWingerii Oh, now you have convinced me why the author to the Hebrews isn’t named!

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You don’t know what you are talking about re: 1Co 11:3. It’s not about hierarchy or authority but source or origin relationships. Adam is the source of Eve as she was created from his flesh and bone but all...

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You don’t know what you are talking about re: 1Co 11:3. It’s not about hierarchy or authority but source or origin relationships. Adam is the source of Eve

1Co 11:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Ge 2:18 speaks of a helper comparable to him. God is also said to be our helper and that does not mean we are in authority over Him. Ge 3:16 isn’t an imperative and is spoken to Eve (not Adam). It is about...

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Ge 2:18 speaks of a helper comparable to him. God is also said to be our helper and that does not mean we are in authority over Him. Ge 3:16 isn’t an imper

Ge 2:18 Ge 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You are certainly free to believe th

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You are certainly free to believe that if you’d like. BTW, anyone who lives how they ought is leading those around them to follow. Your view of leadership

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Again, you may be flippant about using the plural and the singular, but Paul seems to be intentional in the flow of this text, starting from all people, men, women, a woman, a man, Adam, Eve, t...

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Again, you may be flippant about using the plural and the singular, but Paul seems to be intentional in the flow of this text, starting from al

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@SolSurvivor24 @SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman What does “usurp authority” mean? Are men allowed to do that? What authority does your pastor have specifically? When my pastor tells me something, I only listen a) if it’s benign and b) if...

@SolSurvivor24 @SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman What does “usurp authority” mean? Are men allowed to do that? What authority does your pastor have specifically? When my pastor tells me so

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@Psalm2_12Xian @XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Where? Show me where scr

@Psalm2_12Xian @XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Where? Show me where scripture says that in the church men are to rule over women? Where is a man supposed to take authority over women?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Paul did not silenc

@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Paul did not silence half the body just after saying the following… "For you can *all* prophesy one by one, so that *all* may learn and *a

1Co 14:31 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Well, authority was not given to men ov

@XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Well, authority was not given to men over women either. 🤷‍♂️

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@JohnMoo26668690 @smashbaals @danielsilliman You have no authority to ‘hand me o

@JohnMoo26668690 @smashbaals @danielsilliman You have no authority to ‘hand me over to Satan’ for teaching something different than what you believe on a secondary doctrine!

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman Because the authority was given to all believers to make disciples. And the authority has to do with the teaching not whether the vessel is male or female, rich or poor, Jewish or Gentile. What specificall...

@SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman Because the authority was given to all believers to make disciples. And the authority has to do with the teaching not whether the vessel is male or female,

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-05

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Does your pastor tell you where you

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Does your pastor tell you where you should go and what you should do? A leader is someone who serves by example, not by command.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-04

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen The mystery is that Christ and His c

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen The mystery is that Christ and His church are one body and receive the same inheritance (which is crazy if you really think about it). If Paul meant ruler,

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-04

@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen The word kephale (translated as head

@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen The word kephale (translated as head) doesn't mean authority in the contexts Paul is using it. If he meant authority over, why didn't he just use a word for

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii And in the process I worked hard to prevent others

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii And in the process I worked hard to prevent others from attempting to take down the church. The church didn’t split and is doing well today with the same leaders though s

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I didn’t tell you the whole story, I just wanted t

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I didn’t tell you the whole story, I just wanted to know if you thought I was supposed to blindly obey leaders simply because they are leaders regardless if they are righ

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii ...women in leadership but are willing to work within a complementarian system and keep the peace, how is that a problem? There really was no sufficient answers to these things, but it did get this pastor to think as he ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii ...women in leadership but are willing to work within a complementarian system and keep the peace, how is that a problem? There really was no sufficient answers to these

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I was told that if I joined this specific church that I would have to stop leading the two Bible studies that I have going as if I was a member of their church, I wouldn't be allowed to lead since I wasn't a Calvinist an...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I was told that if I joined this specific church that I would have to stop leading the two Bible studies that I have going as if I was a member of their church, I wouldn'

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii In the example you give, you seem to be saying that if a group of leaders all agree on something (whether right or wrong), you have to listen and only if you can find a bishop or governing body over the leaders can you a...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii In the example you give, you seem to be saying that if a group of leaders all agree on something (whether right or wrong), you have to listen and only if you can find a b

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The scripture is contextual. If the imperative is "bring my parchments and my jacket" this is not meant as an authoritative command even for the person to whom it was originally written. Other imperatives were meant for ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The scripture is contextual. If the imperative is "bring my parchments and my jacket" this is not meant as an authoritative command even for the person to whom it was ori

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-01

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I've asked you for examples of what that authority looks like. You suggested that if a member asked you to step down you may not listen but if the pastor asked you to step down, you would. If the same reasons are given b...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I've asked you for examples of what that authority looks like. You suggested that if a member asked you to step down you may not listen but if the pastor asked you to ste

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Adam is the head of Eve, but not in the sense of h

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Adam is the head of Eve, but not in the sense of her authority or ruler (at least pre-fall). He is the source of Eve as she was taken from his flesh and bone.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What is Paul's point using Eve as an archetype of

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What is Paul's point using Eve as an archetype of all women (what you have said elsewhere is 'womankind')? Are you suggesting Paul is explaining to Timothy that all women

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii How could women prophesy to men which is by defini

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii How could women prophesy to men which is by definition authoritative and not teach truth to men? Why would Jesus be hamstringing half His body?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul says that the saints will judge the world and angels (1Co 6:2-3) and Jesus will seat believers on His throne with Him (Re 2:26-27; 3:21). Why would that be a sin in the church for women if Paul even uses it to justi...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul says that the saints will judge the world and angels (1Co 6:2-3) and Jesus will seat believers on His throne with Him (Re 2:26-27; 3:21). Why would that be a sin in

1Co 11:10 1Co 6:2-3 Re 2:26-27 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Further, as I have demonstrated, there is another

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Further, as I have demonstrated, there is another plausible explanation for 1Ti 2:12 that refers to a specific woman and explains why Paul may have chosen such a strange

1Ti 2:12 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii It’s not even an imperative. It was written to Timothy in a letter concerning how he should act to deal with false teaching. If women teaching truth to men is a sin or having authority over men is a sin that condemns wom...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii It’s not even an imperative. It was written to Timothy in a letter concerning how he should act to deal with false teaching. If women teaching truth to men is a sin or ha

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, just like I'm not allowed to be a leader (eve

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, just like I'm not allowed to be a leader (ever) in 3 churches I inquired because I'm either not a Calvinist or because I'm egalitarian even though I would accept wor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You are the one that suggested asking you to resig

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You are the one that suggested asking you to resign. Please, can you explain by giving me an example where you would listen to the pastor because of his authority but not

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where is a woman teaching truth to men ever listed

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where is a woman teaching truth to men ever listed as a sin? If it is only with respect to 'authoritative teaching,' what exactly is that? Isn't God's word authoritative

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I understand you see this as speculative, but I never said it was the grounding of the whole letter. Your view has Paul giving a command to all women to not be in positions of authority over men in a personal letter to ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I understand you see this as speculative, but I never said it was the grounding of the whole letter. Your view has Paul giving a command to all women to not be in positi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, that's what I meant. And while I may take a dissenting opinion from 'the vast majority' it is not without considering their reasons. Why are you framing my proposal as "certainties"? I am giving you my view and my ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, that's what I meant. And while I may take a dissenting opinion from 'the vast majority' it is not without considering their reasons. Why are you framing my proposal

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii If the pastor feels jealous of your ministry or fe

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii If the pastor feels jealous of your ministry or feels threatened by you, is that sufficient reason to demand you to step down because the pastor is an authority?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You are correct that 'a woman' and 'Eve' are both anarthrous. I don't agree that the anaphoric use makes best sense referring back to Eve. Paul is using Adam and Eve prototypically which is why 'the woman' looks like Eve...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You are correct that 'a woman' and 'Eve' are both anarthrous. I don't agree that the anaphoric use makes best sense referring back to Eve. Paul is using Adam and Eve prot

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You know that T was admonished not to be timid (2T

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You know that T was admonished not to be timid (2Ti 1:7), so the reason Paul is giving him ‘his’ authority is because T is timid. T is intervening between a husband and a

2Ti 1:7 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii An elder has a special function and gifting in the body, but all in the body have the same authority to make disciples and to teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded to his disciples. Function—such as oversight—is ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii An elder has a special function and gifting in the body, but all in the body have the same authority to make disciples and to teach them to obey everything Jesus commande

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Do you submit to the authority of the “vast majority” of scholars? “A woman” is in vvs11-12 and “the woman” (who is not Eve) is in v14 and the subject of v15 and is the anaphoric use of the article to provide specificit...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Do you submit to the authority of the “vast majority” of scholars? “A woman” is in vvs11-12 and “the woman” (who is not Eve) is in v14 and the subject of v15 and is the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I think that for your view of 1Ti 2:12, however, y

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I think that for your view of 1Ti 2:12, however, you cannot agree with my view of authority. It fundamentally undermines your perspective of this passage.

1Ti 2:12 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I submit to any and all church leaders so much as

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I submit to any and all church leaders so much as they are not contradicting the word of God. I do all kinds of things that are not my preference as a way to serve leader

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I submitted to him by not forcing myself into leadership, but he doesn’t have the right to forbid what Jesus did not forbid, so he is in the wrong. If I am living in unrepentant sin and refuse to listen “even to the chu...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I submitted to him by not forcing myself into leadership, but he doesn’t have the right to forbid what Jesus did not forbid, so he is in the wrong. If I am living in unr

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii No doubt there are true boundary lines—but those a

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii No doubt there are true boundary lines—but those are established by Christ, not by the authority of an elder. I was barred from being a leader in a local church as I was

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii In the end, Paul is clear that it is not on the basis of his authority that we listen to him, but upon the message and from whom the message comes—Jesus. Ga 1:8: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a g...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii In the end, Paul is clear that it is not on the basis of his authority that we listen to him, but upon the message and from whom the message comes—Jesus. Ga 1:8: "But ev

Ga 1:8 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Well, yes, there are commands, but these are not made up simply by authority inherent in Paul himself such that he could tell you to sit or stand and you would have to obey or be struck with lightning. There are also a ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Well, yes, there are commands, but these are not made up simply by authority inherent in Paul himself such that he could tell you to sit or stand and you would have to ob

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I’m still confused—are you taking authority in the sense of how certain or commanding the preaching is? Or perhaps, you are meaning that the preacher appears to know much more than me so I should take him at his word (as...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I’m still confused—are you taking authority in the sense of how certain or commanding the preaching is? Or perhaps, you are meaning that the preacher appears to know much

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-30

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I’m not sure what you mean by “teaching authority”

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I’m not sure what you mean by “teaching authority” ⎯ teaching, yes. But authoritative? What is authoritative is God’s Word which hopefully the pastor is representing well

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-30

@smashbaals Please demonstrate where the Bible shows that Deborah the judge and

@smashbaals Please demonstrate where the Bible shows that Deborah the judge and prophet (mouthpiece of God and highest authority in the land) was God’s judgment on His people.

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