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@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Yes and I follow what is clear in black and white. Absolutely, Jesus is not the author of confusion! He would certainly not appoint Deborah as judge and prophet and the highest authority in all the land if it were...

@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Yes and I follow what is clear in black and white. Absolutely, Jesus is not the author of confusion! He would certainly not appoint Deborah as judge and prophet an

@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Word not work (typo). Authentein is the wor

@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Word not work (typo). Authentein is the word Paul used in 1Ti 2:12. Exousia is the word used for authority (see 1Ti 2:2, for example).

1Ti 2:12 1Ti 2:2 debate

@Keepersathome @ambientheat @jtdxn_ @MikeWingerii Frankly this is not about who

@Keepersathome @ambientheat @jtdxn_ @MikeWingerii Frankly this is not about who is a better or true Christian but about the competency to lead. This is about politics not a leader for a church.

@BahBahBased @zie95776 @MikeWingerii The only place you are getting the idea that women are not allowed to have authority is from 1Ti 2:12 and authentein. But that is not the normal work for authority and is not even used for men or anyone. If you ca...

@BahBahBased @zie95776 @MikeWingerii The only place you are getting the idea that women are not allowed to have authority is from 1Ti 2:12 and authentein. But that is not the normal work for authority

1Ti 2:12 debate

@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Why did Paul write ‘a woman’ instead of ‘women’ like in vs9-10? Why did Paul use authentein, a verb form that is only found once in the Bible and 8 times in antiquity if he meant normal authority? Paul notes tha...

@zie95776 @BahBahBased @MikeWingerii Why did Paul write ‘a woman’ instead of ‘women’ like in vs9-10? Why did Paul use authentein, a verb form that is only found once in the Bible and 8 times in antiq

@dmichaelclary @jdgreear If I understand you correctly… So—if the church is full of African believers, we don’t intentionally bring in a white person to lead. We look around us to find those sound in the faith, mature, with evidenced character and w...

@dmichaelclary @jdgreear If I understand you correctly… So—if the church is full of African believers, we don’t intentionally bring in a white person to lead. We look around us to find those sound in

@3GNRTX The ‘naming’ of ‘woman’ (pre-fall) is simply an observation that Isha (woman) came out of Ish (man). That’s not a name, but an observation of what God did. And God used it first in the text. There is no indication of authority observed in th...

@3GNRTX The ‘naming’ of ‘woman’ (pre-fall) is simply an observation that Isha (woman) came out of Ish (man). That’s not a name, but an observation of what God did. And God used it first in the text.

@3GNRTX Where was a hierarchy of authority of the man over the woman established

@3GNRTX Where was a hierarchy of authority of the man over the woman established before the temptation? The claim is that God’s prophecy to Eve that Adam would rule over her is a result of the fall (

@StephenStaedtl1 @baste_goblin @DelaKram75 And not even 1% of all believers are

@StephenStaedtl1 @baste_goblin @DelaKram75 And not even 1% of all believers are elders and pastors, so what’s the problem here? Only those with the requisite character, maturity, demonstrated skill, s

@dantheman278 @Thygar @MikeWingerii That’s a reasonable definition I can agree with. And that’s why women and men need to work together in leadership. It makes for decisions that have less blind spots, a more diverse set of skills and strengths among...

@dantheman278 @Thygar @MikeWingerii That’s a reasonable definition I can agree with. And that’s why women and men need to work together in leadership. It makes for decisions that have less blind spots

@MegaChurchMouse Curious you chose a verse in a passage that commends a bunch of female leaders. Question for you: could someone in a Pentecostal church quote the same verse if you try to correct their egalitarian teaching (that they have learned fo...

@MegaChurchMouse Curious you chose a verse in a passage that commends a bunch of female leaders. Question for you: could someone in a Pentecostal church quote the same verse if you try to correct the

@NathanCTrilogue @avyargo I attempted to join three different complementarian ch

@NathanCTrilogue @avyargo I attempted to join three different complementarian churches and they said that while I could be a member, I would never be a leader on account of my views even though I was

@MikeWingerii I also find it interesting how those who advocate for male-only leadership in the church label themselves 'complementarians.’ This term suggests inclusion of both due to the complementarity of strengths rather than excluding women. I...

@MikeWingerii I also find it interesting how those who advocate for male-only leadership in the church label themselves 'complementarians.’ This term suggests inclusion of both due to the complement

🧵 It seems @Brian_Sauve has the secret to solve all problems in the church. 🤯 You see, if you have only male leaders, all the problems just go away. 🙄 Brian thinks that if women are part of the team, that requires a “parallel system” to be constru...

🧵 It seems @Brian_Sauve has the secret to solve all problems in the church. 🤯 You see, if you have only male leaders, all the problems just go away. 🙄 Brian thinks that if women are part of the tea

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve So any woman serving in the capacity of a shepherd is

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve So any woman serving in the capacity of a shepherd is in the same place—each is called to lead by example and preach and teach so that the Word is lifted as the authority whi

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve Let’s backup a tad. My pastor is a male and I am a male. He doesn’t have authority over me. Scripture has authority. He certainly can act like he has authority—but unless what he says is aligned with the Word, whatever auth...

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve Let’s backup a tad. My pastor is a male and I am a male. He doesn’t have authority over me. Scripture has authority. He certainly can act like he has authority—but unless wh

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve Everyone wants to change Paul’s inspired grammar to th

@BeyondZenny @Brian_Sauve Everyone wants to change Paul’s inspired grammar to the plural and suggest that authentein is normal authority. That doesn’t bother you?

@Brian_Sauve So you changed ‘a woman’ to the plural and made authentein into nor

@Brian_Sauve So you changed ‘a woman’ to the plural and made authentein into normal authority that men exercise and neglected the context that the personal letter to Timothy was about dealing with fal

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-01

@barkbahlmerg @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Nowhere does the Bible give husbands

@barkbahlmerg @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Nowhere does the Bible give husbands the authority to rule over their wives. Gen 3:16 is spoken to the woman, not an imperative and is a prophecy related to

Gen 3:16 debate

@Reformed_Zoomer @j_robert_kirk @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Leading her into what? The faith? If she is more spiritual than you, you must lead her? Is that how church leadership is determined? No consideration of gifting or skill, just what’s in on...

@Reformed_Zoomer @j_robert_kirk @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Leading her into what? The faith? If she is more spiritual than you, you must lead her? Is that how church leadership is determined? No co

@MikhailSaintt @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Women sticking to the home is part

@MikhailSaintt @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Women sticking to the home is part of it. Women not leading, gifted teachers afraid to teach a male that gets a bit too old. Women who sense God’s calling

@Reformed_Zoomer @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Not in the way that is being prop

@Reformed_Zoomer @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Not in the way that is being proposed because we have leaders like Deborah and it seems it’s more of an issue for you than for them. But the church has n

@TonyMor52435077 @masonmennenga If we sat down for coffee, I could tell you stories about church behaviour, that of leaders and pastors. Again, my point is not that there are people failing—there are many, but that this is not the basis on which I b...

@TonyMor52435077 @masonmennenga If we sat down for coffee, I could tell you stories about church behaviour, that of leaders and pastors. Again, my point is not that there are people failing—there are

1Ti 2:12 1Ti 3:1-13 debate

@Cooper9DL You are taking 1Ti 2:12 out of context and are treating “head” in the sense of authority or master over which is not the sense in which Paul was using the word kephale. Your comment about 1Ti 3:1-13 being directed at only men is likely due...

@Cooper9DL You are taking 1Ti 2:12 out of context and are treating “head” in the sense of authority or master over which is not the sense in which Paul was using the word kephale. Your comment about 1

@coramdeo1 I’m not ignoring the literary structure of Gen 1-3. That the man is created first, the woman is created from the man and she is created for the man does not imply or require that she is to be ruled by the man. Authority is given to both t...

@coramdeo1 I’m not ignoring the literary structure of Gen 1-3. That the man is created first, the woman is created from the man and she is created for the man does not imply or require that she is to

@kdclaunch Paul has no concept of “gender roles” with respect to authority or hi

@kdclaunch Paul has no concept of “gender roles” with respect to authority or hierarchy.

@TarienCole @VCITW I don’t ignore this, just interpreting it in context. Paul do

@TarienCole @VCITW I don’t ignore this, just interpreting it in context. Paul doesn’t say women (plural) but “a woman.” And he uses a very unusual word authentein (no man is said to authentein anyone

@Trentofthenorth @kdclaunch The command was first given to Adam, then later to both Adam and Eve (Eve’s quoting God has Him speaking to plural persons). Adam called her “woman” or “Isha” as she came out of “Ish”—it’s a functional association and has...

@Trentofthenorth @kdclaunch The command was first given to Adam, then later to both Adam and Eve (Eve’s quoting God has Him speaking to plural persons). Adam called her “woman” or “Isha” as she came

@LogicSaysBurn Paul said it had to do with the time sequence order of creation w

@LogicSaysBurn Paul said it had to do with the time sequence order of creation which had a connection to why one was deceived and the other was not. Your idea that this has anything to do with authori

@LogicSaysBurn BTW, are you still the authority over your 50 year old unmarried

@LogicSaysBurn BTW, are you still the authority over your 50 year old unmarried son or daughter?

@MariaDyck18 @GlennDavies @kdclaunch It really is a spectrum. My last church all

@MariaDyck18 @GlennDavies @kdclaunch It really is a spectrum. My last church allowed women to do everything except be lead pastor. Most churches, women lead children’s ministries and the women’s minis

@Mayo_Mingzi @kdclaunch Deborah had highest authority over everyone in Israel as God’s mouthpiece both as prophet and judge. She was just like Samuel. So your statement that “women must not have spiritual authority over men” is just false since God ...

@Mayo_Mingzi @kdclaunch Deborah had highest authority over everyone in Israel as God’s mouthpiece both as prophet and judge. She was just like Samuel. So your statement that “women must not have spir

@coramdeo1 I am following Paul’s reasoning: the order of creation has something

@coramdeo1 I am following Paul’s reasoning: the order of creation has something to do with being deceived or not. That was Paul’s point. And your point is that being created first is about rule and a

@coramdeo1 Comps are speculating that creation order is about hierarchy and authority. What evidence is there that authority structures are present between the man and the woman in Gen 2-3? You claim that the serpent violates the order by approachi...

@coramdeo1 Comps are speculating that creation order is about hierarchy and authority. What evidence is there that authority structures are present between the man and the woman in Gen 2-3? You clai

The serpent approaches the woman as she can be deceived. There is no evidence that anyone present is aware of any gender-based hierarchy. The serpent doesn’t say anything about being liberated from Adam’s authority. Adam is also right beside Eve li...

The serpent approaches the woman as she can be deceived. There is no evidence that anyone present is aware of any gender-based hierarchy. The serpent doesn’t say anything about being liberated from A

While it is true that mankind was given authority over the rest of creation, the woman was uniquely created from Adam’s flesh and bone whereas the other animals were individually created from the dust. This shows there is no hierarchy between the ma...

While it is true that mankind was given authority over the rest of creation, the woman was uniquely created from Adam’s flesh and bone whereas the other animals were individually created from the dust

The first mistake he makes is to presume that authority is in the messenger inst

The first mistake he makes is to presume that authority is in the messenger instead of in the message. This is a really important distinction. Teaching scripture is intended to build up, not for “lor

@smashbaals I don’t think you read my question very carefully. That verse is bei

@smashbaals I don’t think you read my question very carefully. That verse is being quoted out of context, says nothing about godly women preaching or teaching truth to anyone to be a sin, nor does it

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@WizardTraveling Kings are not classes of men. What Paul is saying here is that Kings are not picked out because they are a class of men that God has picked to be saved, but that Kings are important SO THAT we may lead a tranquil and quiet life. The ...

@WizardTraveling Kings are not classes of men. What Paul is saying here is that Kings are not picked out because they are a class of men that God has picked to be saved, but that Kings are important S

@James_AndrewRob @i0wa_Guy @smashbaals Yes, but leading is not a sin. Otherwise

@James_AndrewRob @i0wa_Guy @smashbaals Yes, but leading is not a sin. Otherwise God wouldn’t have chosen Deborah to be the highest authority in the land (like Samuel).

@ChristMount777 @JoWiKi Unity of the body is also very important. More important than you getting your way in everything or your own personal comfort. Your church may have only male leaders but cooperating with others that have female leaders means t...

@ChristMount777 @JoWiKi Unity of the body is also very important. More important than you getting your way in everything or your own personal comfort. Your church may have only male leaders but cooper

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-27

@CWatermanTX @pauldirks @pjspartner @KaeleyT Sorry I wasn’t more clear. Paul’s q

@CWatermanTX @pauldirks @pjspartner @KaeleyT Sorry I wasn’t more clear. Paul’s question appears to be “What would you do if you were a leader in Nazi Germany?”—not what would you do if you were on the

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-24

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn Believing what scripture actually means leads to loss of biblical authority? What are you even talking about? I am not advocating for homos3xual pastors. Your assuming these are conflated is quite telling. I'm ...

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn Believing what scripture actually means leads to loss of biblical authority? What are you even talking about? I am not advocating for homos3xual pastors. Your as

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-24

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn Do you have a scripture that says that men ruling is a blessing? Again, you are taking Is 3:12 out of its context. God’s judgment was to take all the faithful out of Israel leaving the incompetent and unfaithful...

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn Do you have a scripture that says that men ruling is a blessing? Again, you are taking Is 3:12 out of its context. God’s judgment was to take all the faithful ou

Is 3:12 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-24

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn If you are “going off scripture” then where does scripture say anything negative about Deborah’s leadership? You are interpreting and spinning it that way but that is not what scripture says. Isa 3 is not at all...

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn If you are “going off scripture” then where does scripture say anything negative about Deborah’s leadership? You are interpreting and spinning it that way but tha

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-22

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The rule that only men are to lead is what

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The rule that only men are to lead is what you import. So it’s not easiest for women to love their husbands? It doesn’t counter the ‘curse’ to love? Men need res

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-22

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The authority to rule over creation was given by God to both the man and the woman in Ge 1:28. Ge 3:16 is God speaking to Eve about what will happen not God commanding Adam to rule over his wife. The idea of male...

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The authority to rule over creation was given by God to both the man and the woman in Ge 1:28. Ge 3:16 is God speaking to Eve about what will happen not God comma

Ge 1:28 Ge 3:16 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-18

@ZA_Legacy @smashbaals That is not God giving authority to Adam to rule over Eve

@ZA_Legacy @smashbaals That is not God giving authority to Adam to rule over Eve! First, He’s speaking to Eve, not Adam. And secondly, it’s spoken like a result or consequence of the fall.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-18

@smashbaals Except the husband was not given authority or rule over his wife in

@smashbaals Except the husband was not given authority or rule over his wife in the first place. There's nothing to usurp.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-17

@coramdeo1 @NateSchlomann I’ve been a member at a church with which I had disagr

@coramdeo1 @NateSchlomann I’ve been a member at a church with which I had disagreements with on secondary issues. Is dividing over secondary issues only something that applies to leaders and not to t