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@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The authority is not in the messenger but the mess

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The authority is not in the messenger but the message. This is a fundamental flaw complementarians (and Origen) make in interpreting αὐθεντεῖν in the context of Paul’s le

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The idea that speaking to men is taking authority

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The idea that speaking to men is taking authority over them is not a scriptural idea anyways. I don’t follow someone merely because they tell me something or make a claim

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I have no idea how Origen supports his view of a woman not having authority over men when it comes to Deborah. But I am not an expert on Origen and surely understanding Paul doesn’t require one to be an expert on Origen!...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I have no idea how Origen supports his view of a woman not having authority over men when it comes to Deborah. But I am not an expert on Origen and surely understanding P

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Clearly Origen is trying to take into consideration how women are to be silent and yet Miriam can address the assembly—his answer is that the silence has to do with having authority over men. Of course Origen isn’t takin...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Clearly Origen is trying to take into consideration how women are to be silent and yet Miriam can address the assembly—his answer is that the silence has to do with havin

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-22

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I never got that from reading Terran. I very much

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I never got that from reading Terran. I very much appreciated the timestamps so I could watch the video and listen in context. Though I admit the most disagreement I had

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-22

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul purportedly says that a woman must not take authority over a man and uses creation to justify this. So I ask then where do Eve take authority over Adam or Adam over Eve? How then does creation justify such a stateme...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul purportedly says that a woman must not take authority over a man and uses creation to justify this. So I ask then where do Eve take authority over Adam or Adam over

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-20

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What authority was Eve taking over Adam? What does

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What authority was Eve taking over Adam? What does her being deceived and him not being deceived have to do with her having authority or power? How is abuse of power or a

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-19

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul sees a situation that is not unlike that of the garden of Eden⎯the wife is deceived and attempting to lead Adam into the same sin; the husband (Adam) is not deceived but silent, not correcting or protecting her give...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul sees a situation that is not unlike that of the garden of Eden⎯the wife is deceived and attempting to lead Adam into the same sin; the husband (Adam) is not deceived

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-18

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, however, this does not prove that Paul didn't

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, however, this does not prove that Paul didn't look back to a classic form to convey the specific meaning he intended in 1Ti 2:12. Why wouldn't Paul use a common wor

1Ti 2:12 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-11

@Kevin_OrthoSP @WayLay18848 @rebelsquadron01 @smashbaals The church 'fathers' mostly seem to have an issue with female leaders. No surprise there. I just think they are wrong purely based on scripture. You think the church fathers are 100% correct i...

@Kevin_OrthoSP @WayLay18848 @rebelsquadron01 @smashbaals The church 'fathers' mostly seem to have an issue with female leaders. No surprise there. I just think they are wrong purely based on scripture

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Thankfully you don't have the authority to proclaim anyone is outside of the faith unless what you claim agrees with what the scripture says about this. Does the scripture say that anyone who believes godl...

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Thankfully you don't have the authority to proclaim anyone is outside of the faith unless what you claim agrees with what the scripture says about this. Do

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Because 'Ryan says so'? By no means!

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Because 'Ryan says so'? By no means! I am not deferring to myself as any kind of authority. I am merely offering up what I believe is a wholly consistent ex

@prodigalsonpost @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV It's hard to explain the entire

@prodigalsonpost @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV It's hard to explain the entire letter in one post, though perhaps I should do that sometime. Paul gives directions on how to deal with false teachers

@ronhenzel And the witnesses don't need to be elders. And this is not a gang up of those who don't like the person. “I solemnly exhort you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias...

@ronhenzel And the witnesses don't need to be elders. And this is not a gang up of those who don't like the person. “I solemnly exhort you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-09

Jesus explains that leadership is serving and not about being served (which is h

Jesus explains that leadership is serving and not about being served (which is how the world sees leadership). Mt 20:25-28: "But Jesus called them to Himself and said, ‘You know that the rulers of th

Mt 20:25-28 debate

@MargMowczko @KaeleyT The use of 'the woman' in Genesis is before she was named Eve. It is yet another tie back to her ignorance. Your comment that Eve was never referred to as 'a woman' is odd as she not a generic woman. In 1Ti 2:14, we see the an...

@MargMowczko @KaeleyT The use of 'the woman' in Genesis is before she was named Eve. It is yet another tie back to her ignorance. Your comment that Eve was never referred to as 'a woman' is odd as sh

1Ti 2:14 general

@The11Hour_1776 Oh that’s cute—I don’t know what egalitarianism is? Certainly we might disagree on what it means, but I know what it means. Treating women like they are eternal children rather than as capable of decision making and leading is a prob...

@The11Hour_1776 Oh that’s cute—I don’t know what egalitarianism is? Certainly we might disagree on what it means, but I know what it means. Treating women like they are eternal children rather than a

@EH_Esq God never intended gender hierarchies of authority. Both were commanded

@EH_Esq God never intended gender hierarchies of authority. Both were commanded to rule over creation; no one was commanded to rule over his fellow human. When Israel begged for a king it was a rejec

Eve and Adam were both given rule over the earth. Her authority to judge and rul

Eve and Adam were both given rule over the earth. Her authority to judge and rule was always intact. So why believe women are barred from speaking or teaching? She was already empowered by God to repr

The job of a pastor is to do such a good job leading so as to no longer be neede

The job of a pastor is to do such a good job leading so as to no longer be needed.

@JollyStine How is Paul contrasting quiet, peaceful lives with asceticism? I was envisioning protesting or perhaps running from persecution due to rulers coming against Christians. In other words, pray for kings and those in authority so you can go a...

@JollyStine How is Paul contrasting quiet, peaceful lives with asceticism? I was envisioning protesting or perhaps running from persecution due to rulers coming against Christians. In other words, pra

@_jonbowlin He is listing one thing to pray for. He is not meaning to exclude an

@_jonbowlin He is listing one thing to pray for. He is not meaning to exclude anyone. And he is not listing kinds of people as the same man who is in authority today wasn’t yesterday and may not be to

@_jonbowlin So you think Paul is telling them not to pray for those in authority

@_jonbowlin So you think Paul is telling them not to pray for those in authority? Pray for the ruling class but not the rest? Paul says “all men” but you are making it sound like he is excluding some.

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii This was the Talmud that proposes no women au

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii This was the Talmud that proposes no women authors of scripture, right? https://t.co/uGLdlgK72c

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii Why would Ruth write it when no woman is allowed to teach men or have any kind of authority? Nevermind she can prophesy and even be in the position of Samuel (Deborah)...but alas, all the men would have burned it if...

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii Why would Ruth write it when no woman is allowed to teach men or have any kind of authority? Nevermind she can prophesy and even be in the position of Samuel (Debora

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii Show me a man explicitly called "pastor" in the Bible. Who wrote Ruth? Esther? Hebrews? How do you know a woman wasn't involved in writing scripture other than assuming so? If a woman identified herself as the auth...

@avyargo @neecygrace @MikeWingerii Show me a man explicitly called "pastor" in the Bible. Who wrote Ruth? Esther? Hebrews? How do you know a woman wasn't involved in writing scripture other than assu

@MikeWingerii Lewis rightly pointed out that pride could be the ‘great sin.’ This applies as much to those inside the church as outside. It’s crucial church leaders ensure they lead with humility and not fall into the trap of pride, thinking they are...

@MikeWingerii Lewis rightly pointed out that pride could be the ‘great sin.’ This applies as much to those inside the church as outside. It’s crucial church leaders ensure they lead with humility and

@Whitehorse1255 Also, don’t you believe that Adam had authority over Eve before

@Whitehorse1255 Also, don’t you believe that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall when creation was still good and not cursed?

RT @ryanschatz: Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s a

RT @ryanschatz: Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:00] So Mike doesn't see it as unquestioning…

I find it rather ironic how complementarians like @MikeWingerii say the Bible is

I find it rather ironic how complementarians like @MikeWingerii say the Bible is clear that women cannot hold positions of authority but even after extensive study still are working out the nuances of

I find this statement from @MikeWingerii revealing. When someone says a woman cannot be a man I think of immutable differences not eldership. How do comps see the command for both to rule and women made in God’s image as limiting on women from autho...

I find this statement from @MikeWingerii revealing. When someone says a woman cannot be a man I think of immutable differences not eldership. How do comps see the command for both to rule and women m

I find this statement from @MikeWingerii revealing. When someone says a woman cannot be a man I think of immutable differences not leadership. How do comps see the command for both to rule and women made in God’s image as limiting on women from auth...

I find this statement from @MikeWingerii revealing. When someone says a woman cannot be a man I think of immutable differences not leadership. How do comps see the command for both to rule and women

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-05

@IkeLifeLike @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii How does godly women leading and teaching

@IkeLifeLike @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii How does godly women leading and teaching the truth cause harm? Seems to me it only “harms” the complementarian view but that’s not a harm.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-05

@slow_down_Jess I have a local pastor who says I am semi-pelagian but he still sees me as a brother in Christ. He just won’t allow me to ever be in leadership…like not even in 20 years kind of thing. He’s a pretty strong Calvinist, so I don’t think t...

@slow_down_Jess I have a local pastor who says I am semi-pelagian but he still sees me as a brother in Christ. He just won’t allow me to ever be in leadership…like not even in 20 years kind of thing.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-04

@bonhoefferchild @avyargo @MikeWingerii Much of the issue is with translators as

@bonhoefferchild @avyargo @MikeWingerii Much of the issue is with translators assuming complementarian ideas and male authority over females (ie. our understanding of head is not what Paul meant in hi

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-04

@bonhoefferchild @avyargo @MikeWingerii I believe that Paul authored the letters

@bonhoefferchild @avyargo @MikeWingerii I believe that Paul authored the letters we have in the New Testament and that it’s a matter of reading carefully.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-03

@NBidnz @YaakovSomar You are possibly right. Maybe he was thinking feminism mean

@NBidnz @YaakovSomar You are possibly right. Maybe he was thinking feminism meaning a woman or a man could lead and teach or maybe he is thinking transgender stuff…not sure which is why I asked.

@Unashamed_Chuck @RushiXmakima Yes, this has to do with the time sequence order of creation, not authority order. And the time sequence connects with deception. Ask yourself, how was it that Eve was deceived but Adam wasn’t when they both knew the co...

@Unashamed_Chuck @RushiXmakima Yes, this has to do with the time sequence order of creation, not authority order. And the time sequence connects with deception. Ask yourself, how was it that Eve was d

@SteelSmack @MikeWingerii That’s true. Though I don’t think Mike believes that t

@SteelSmack @MikeWingerii That’s true. Though I don’t think Mike believes that the restriction on women from being elders or having authority which may be confused with that of elders is Paul’s opinio

@Unashamed_Chuck I believe that Paul’s use of the Greek word kephale is not about authority or leadership but has to do with the source relationship between the husband and the wife coming from Eden where Eve was made from and for Adam. Both were com...

@Unashamed_Chuck I believe that Paul’s use of the Greek word kephale is not about authority or leadership but has to do with the source relationship between the husband and the wife coming from Eden w

Ge 1:28 debate

@Tibbetburritoo @harduppp @RevKimWChafee @TxPlainZoomer @LaMonteMom @IAmNOTALao @WomnOfValor Male and female are different. Not one is arguing that they are the same. But this difference has nothing to do with salvation (it never did) nor with the ab...

@Tibbetburritoo @harduppp @RevKimWChafee @TxPlainZoomer @LaMonteMom @IAmNOTALao @WomnOfValor Male and female are different. Not one is arguing that they are the same. But this difference has nothing t

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-25

@harduppp @RevKimWChafee @TxPlainZoomer @LaMonteMom @Tibbetburritoo @IAmNOTALao

@harduppp @RevKimWChafee @TxPlainZoomer @LaMonteMom @Tibbetburritoo @IAmNOTALao @WomnOfValor If you want that, Gal 3:26-28 seems pretty clear. Is your pastor Jewish, or are now Gentiles allowed to be

Gal 3:26-28 question

@DWorldviews @_JacobLovelace @smashbaals And effeminate is the man taking care o

@DWorldviews @_JacobLovelace @smashbaals And effeminate is the man taking care of the household tasks while the wife works? Allowing her to co-lead the family? Sharing leadership with women in church?

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-22

@JollyStine @AVER735 @BenZeisloft 1Co 7 definitely speaks of mutual authority over each other’s body and not abstaining for too long. But I honestly don’t see knowing what the specific false teaching in Ephesus was important or Paul would have mentio...

@JollyStine @AVER735 @BenZeisloft 1Co 7 definitely speaks of mutual authority over each other’s body and not abstaining for too long. But I honestly don’t see knowing what the specific false teaching

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-20

@MarkGrote In 1Ti 2:12, the young and single Timothy is going to need to intervene in between a husband and wife (the wife is teaching heresy and the husband, likely an elder, is silent). To assist Timothy, he gives him his apostolic authority to hel...

@MarkGrote In 1Ti 2:12, the young and single Timothy is going to need to intervene in between a husband and wife (the wife is teaching heresy and the husband, likely an elder, is silent). To assist Ti

1Ti 2:12 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-20

@Trentofthenorth @Crystalisives Eve helping means Adam is the one with the need

@Trentofthenorth @Crystalisives Eve helping means Adam is the one with the need and Eve is the provider. God is also said to be our helper but no one thinks that this makes man the authority over God.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-20

@AVER735 @cesarro93931165 @BenZeisloft “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, **and teaching them...

@AVER735 @cesarro93931165 @BenZeisloft “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of **all nations,** baptizing them in the name of the Father and of t

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-19

@JasonClark829 @smashli1228 @BenZeisloft I don't think Ben is a 'fake Christian'

@JasonClark829 @smashli1228 @BenZeisloft I don't think Ben is a 'fake Christian' because he is convinced that scripture requires male-only leadership.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-19

@smugbuster88 @BenZeisloft Both Adam and Eve were commanded using an imperative to rule in Ge 1:28. Both women and men are commanded to make disciples by Jesus' own authority in Mat 28:18-20. To refuse to allow them simply because they are women is...

@smugbuster88 @BenZeisloft Both Adam and Eve were commanded using an imperative to rule in Ge 1:28. Both women and men are commanded to make disciples by Jesus' own authority in Mat 28:18-20. To ref

Ge 1:28 Mat 28:18-20 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-19

@AVER735 @MikeWingerii Yes, responsibility is key. Adam was responsible because God allowed him to experience things about Him that Eve didn’t observe. He wasn’t deceived and therefore should have helped Eve but instead he remained silent. Authority...

@AVER735 @MikeWingerii Yes, responsibility is key. Adam was responsible because God allowed him to experience things about Him that Eve didn’t observe. He wasn’t deceived and therefore should have hel