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@lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Mike has had a long time to correct or clarify his definition of secondary. As best as I can tell, to him it's a matter of perceived severity, not sin. He thinks that egalitarian teaching greatly harms marriage. How does ...

@lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Mike has had a long time to correct or clarify his definition of secondary. As best as I can tell, to him it's a matter of perceived severity, not sin. He thinks that egal

@j0rdanistyping @MikeWingerii Yet we both think we are right and have a biblical reason for our view. The point is that it isn't a primary matter for which we divide nor is it a matter of sin. It is a debatable matter. Think about this for a minute⎯...

@j0rdanistyping @MikeWingerii Yet we both think we are right and have a biblical reason for our view. The point is that it isn't a primary matter for which we divide nor is it a matter of sin. It is a

@MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii I'm pretty sure that if we sat down and I asked you the questions raised by the text, I would have a faithful exegesis treating everything written as inspired and you would be left scratching your head with no answers and ...

@MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii I'm pretty sure that if we sat down and I asked you the questions raised by the text, I would have a faithful exegesis treating everything written as inspired and you would

"Thank you for refusing to proclaim, with any authority, less or more than what Scripture says."⎯@MikeWingerii Something you yourself might want to consider related to your call for egalitarians to repent of the teaching and others to loudly leave t...

"Thank you for refusing to proclaim, with any authority, less or more than what Scripture says."⎯@MikeWingerii Something you yourself might want to consider related to your call for egalitarians to r

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-04

@paulogia0 @BradVWall Leading people away from the truth isn’t noble. Clearly on

@paulogia0 @BradVWall Leading people away from the truth isn’t noble. Clearly one of us is wrong as we cannot both be right.

@Trentofthenorth @Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 On what basis do you make such a

@Trentofthenorth @Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 On what basis do you make such a claim? Male authority over women is an idea imported into the text by men.

1Co 6:2-3 Rev 2:26-28 Rev 3:21 debate

@B_Christs_Amb Yes, our inheritance which includes ruling and reigning with Christ on His throne (Rev 3:21), judging the nations and even judging angels (1Co 6:2-3; Rev 2:26-28). There is no gender-role hierarchy of authority of husband over wife. Y...

@B_Christs_Amb Yes, our inheritance which includes ruling and reigning with Christ on His throne (Rev 3:21), judging the nations and even judging angels (1Co 6:2-3; Rev 2:26-28). There is no gender-r

@Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 Yes, the man is the head, but not in the way that you think. This is not about authority over or rule over but, sourcing marriage back to the very first marriage and its basis in the origin of the woman from Adam’s fles...

@Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 Yes, the man is the head, but not in the way that you think. This is not about authority over or rule over but, sourcing marriage back to the very first marriage and its

@scottspeig If it was just a salvific issue then Greeks, slaves and women (v28)

@scottspeig If it was just a salvific issue then Greeks, slaves and women (v28) would all be barred from leadership roles as those would only belong to Jewish males.

@reformedbapty @Gates_of_Derry @CherylSchatz It's not that He doesn't have authority over everyone, including unbelievers. He already has all authority in heaven and earth. But He is patiently waiting for the time when He will reign on earth in a ver...

@reformedbapty @Gates_of_Derry @CherylSchatz It's not that He doesn't have authority over everyone, including unbelievers. He already has all authority in heaven and earth. But He is patiently waiting

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Just to clarify: I have never once claimed any authority. The only authority related to Jesus’ own supper is Jesus himself. Paul related Jesus’ commands. No one is ...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Just to clarify: I have never once claimed any authority. The only authority related to Jesus’ own supper is Jesus

@LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How did I respond to the leadership? The only person that had any issue was my own pastor from Canada who was afraid that I might have been perceived as usurping th...

@LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How did I respond to the leadership? The only person that had any issue was my own pastor from Canada who was afra

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii The elders must submit to Jesus’ authority. There usually are many mature people in the fellowship who can serve as witnesses, and certain so can an elder or two. The way I’ve...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii The elders must submit to Jesus’ authority. There usually are many mature people in the fellowship who can serve as witnesses,

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, so Jesus words only lasted for a very short time? Although He already had apostles he didn’t mention them or leadership of any kind, so his words were merely a suggestion ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, so Jesus words only lasted for a very short time? Although He already had apostles he didn’t mention them or leadership o

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii So no mention of apostles or leadership? Again, what’s missing? Are you saying following what Jesus said is not

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preaching, gently correcting and guiding are not ruling. R...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preachin

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 Curious how you have the time to provide a full length response to defend yourself (when it wasn’t even really necessary) but don’t have the time to respond to someone pleading with you to rescind your call for egalitarians t...

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 Curious how you have the time to provide a full length response to defend yourself (when it wasn’t even really necessary) but don’t have the time to respond to someone pleadin

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during communion, the Spirit compelled me to speak up and say...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during comm

@FreeAme19691836 @subq @MikeWingerii Sounds good, Russell. The great commission is to make disciples and teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded his disciples. That doesn’t preclude dealing with divisive issues and helping people to know what s...

@FreeAme19691836 @subq @MikeWingerii Sounds good, Russell. The great commission is to make disciples and teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded his disciples. That doesn’t preclude dealing with

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The elders are at the bottom⎯serving and pouring out th...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The e

Matt 18:15-20 debate

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the perfect solution for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the contrary, Paul uses his authority to stop those si...

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the *perfect solution* for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the

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@deadtosin610 You just need to assert your motherly authority. "Therefore, I wa

@deadtosin610 You just need to assert your motherly authority. "Therefore, I want [women] to... manage their households..." (1Ti 5:14) https://t.co/fmm9RYILBx

1Ti 5:14 debate

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what the Corinthians wrote. How could he include less an...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what t

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something they don’t think is right. You are applying aposto...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something t

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@carol66944 Why do you frame the opposing view as a "one-off marital dispute of

@carol66944 Why do you frame the opposing view as a "one-off marital dispute of usurping"? Are you referring to my view or that of someone else? I don't believe that authentein means "usurping authori

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-25

@JustinPickerel @MikeWingerii Justin, respectfully—no. Everyone has something incorrect. We need to be convinced that we are wrong, and this is a secondary doctrine just like Calvinism. Mike thinks it has greater impact because in his opinion it affe...

@JustinPickerel @MikeWingerii Justin, respectfully—no. Everyone has something incorrect. We need to be convinced that we are wrong, and this is a secondary doctrine just like Calvinism. Mike thinks it

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Se

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Serving as leaders and pastors?

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following the Biblical instruction. That instruction doesn’t forbid godly women from teaching truth, leading or pastoral ministry

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to n

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to not taking leadership roles in church? Are women supposed to submit to male only pastors (since there are no female past

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is t

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is that because of biological differences, women are to submit to men (not mutually) and are not to hold leadership roles. T

@biblemarriages @kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla If that was the case, polygamy would be encouraged in the New Testament. Rather, it is clearly not encouraged. Monogomy is a requirement for leaders. And for all, in the context of asceticism and the probl...

@biblemarriages @kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla If that was the case, polygamy would be encouraged in the New Testament. Rather, it is clearly not encouraged. Monogomy is a requirement for leaders. And f

@ymmotrojam Let’s remind ourselves about the oral traditions of the Jewish leaders. “And He said to them, ‘Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: “This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. ...

@ymmotrojam Let’s remind ourselves about the oral traditions of the Jewish leaders. “And He said to them, ‘Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: “This people honors Me with

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-23

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla God tolerated polygamy in the Old Testament. The clear ideal is monogamy. Polygamy creates problems and marriage to one spouse is hard enough without competition and feeling like your husband has split affections and perha...

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla God tolerated polygamy in the Old Testament. The clear ideal is monogamy. Polygamy creates problems and marriage to one spouse is hard enough without competition and feelin

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours church is on. Then I find the same women out corre...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ok, let me rephrase, you are the one who believes the Bible is forbidding, just like the Pharisees and the Jewish leaders in the time of Jesus who...

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ok, let me rephrase, you are the one who believes the Bible is forbidding, just like the Pharise

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But in the one case, he is saying the opposite of what you said, and in the other case he is dealing with false teaching, not telling anyone to st...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But in the one case, he is saying the opposite of what you said, and in the other case he is dea

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, I’ll go to the church without leaders who believe that they as men are the only ones who the word came to and the only ones who the word comes forth from. I...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, I’ll go to the church without leaders who believe that they as men are the only ones who the word came to a

@ronhenzel Ron, the verb authentein is rare showing up something like 8 times in

@ronhenzel Ron, the verb authentein is rare showing up something like 8 times in antiquity. How can you say it is “hardly rare”? Are you serious?

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means an

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means and who 'a woman' and 'a man' refers to, and what Paul intends by choosing such a rare word, authentein, we have to look t

@JollyStine @PrinceDean78489 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @MargMowczko Thanks for sharing, Christine. You have been a huge help replying to challenges as I can’t keep up. Unfortunately, that 1Ti 2:11-12 is about a specific woman appears to be the ext...

@JollyStine @PrinceDean78489 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @MargMowczko Thanks for sharing, Christine. You have been a huge help replying to challenges as I can’t keep up. Unfortunately, that 1Ti 2:11-

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@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authent

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authentein when he simply means authority?

@ronhenzel That’s not how this works, Ron. You are just appealing to authority as if you or Wallace, despite all the training in Greek and grammar, are someone completely infallible and never make mistakes. Generic nouns are not unique to Greek. The...

@ronhenzel That’s not how this works, Ron. You are just appealing to authority as if you or Wallace, despite all the training in Greek and grammar, are someone completely infallible and never make mis

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Yes, I agree, but why involve the angels? How does thi

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Yes, I agree, but why involve the angels? How does this make Paul’s point if it is to show that she has the authority over her own head to make these decisions?

@Torncurtainorg @AngEngland @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7

@Torncurtainorg @AngEngland @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Jesus also didn’t appoint Gentiles to leadership. He left a few matters for the church to work out. 😉

@StevenMKestner If they have the requisite character, able to teach, are sound i

@StevenMKestner If they have the requisite character, able to teach, are sound in the faith and are otherwise not disqualified, and they have the desire, then yes. Scripture does not forbid someone f

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do with leadership in church. Women have the instinc...

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingeri

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Just not as leaders of the church, right?

@DustyMayT @Torncurtainorg @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Mike says he is a soft complementarian but he doesn't like using the word soft as he thinks it does affect all of life even outside of church and family. However, he be...

@DustyMayT @Torncurtainorg @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Mike says he is a soft complementarian but he doesn't like using the word soft as he thinks it does affect all of life

@DustyMayT @Torncurtainorg @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingeri

@DustyMayT @Torncurtainorg @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Fair. And women even in complementarian relationships still have some responsibility. This is not about overriding Go

@russ_hjelm Well, in that case, women would have authority! 😉