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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-24

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every view is off limits. You know that I already said that my egalitarian church just left the RCA because they ordained same s3x pastors, right? Obviously I believe that you cannot di...

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every view is off limits. You know that I already said that my egalitarian church just left the RCA because they ordained same s3x pasto

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@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that this is not what I think as I have g

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that this is not what I think as I have given a thorough exegesis on the passages you so confidently assume restrict women. Please show me where scripture says t

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@The_Sig_ You are importing a modern understand of what “head” means in the English. You have to investigate to understand what Paul means by using this term in context. Since both Jesus and the Father are the uncreated creator, there is no sense in ...

@The_Sig_ You are importing a modern understand of what “head” means in the English. You have to investigate to understand what Paul means by using this term in context. Since both Jesus and the Fathe

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every view is off limits. You know that I already said that my egalitarian church just left the RCA because they ordained same s3x pastors, right? Obviously I believe that you cannot di...

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that this is not what I think as I have g

@The_Sig_ You are importing a modern understand of what “head” means in the English. You have to investigate to understand what Paul means by using this term in context. Since both Jesus and the Father are the uncreated creator, there is no sense in ...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the OT, there was no sense that obeying a woman in a ...

@IxAMxLAMBO @DoulosDean68 You are interpreting head in our modern context. You n

@ronhenzel @carol66944 The difference between us is that I just think you are wrong, but you think I’m a liberal, disingenuous, and need to repent of my egalitarianism. I believe that you are free to remain a complementarian. I’m egalitarian, or a m...

@EManFleming Eve was described as a help to Adam which means he was the one with the need. This does not mean she was created for one way service to him. God is also described as our helper using the same Hebrew word ("ezer") used for Eve. This term...

@ronhenzel A creative way of getting around the text. Why is this not an option for married women? Should half the church (if all single women) all line up one by one to speak with an elder after? How inefficient is that? What if the question she ask...

@ronhenzel Women in general or just married women (since they alone have husbands to ask at home)? You must make sense of what the text specifically states. Rather than holding back the spirit, Paul encourages speaking and even interrupting another ...

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor While it is true that Paul often introduces quotations or topics from the Corinthians with “Περὶ δὲ” (Peri de, “Now concerning…”), he also employs rhetorical questions and contrastive arguments to distinguish his views from...

@thecrazypastor @ronhenzel This is especially since Paul clearly instructed that

@ronhenzel 1. Paul writes in 1Co 7:1, "Now concerning the things about which you wrote..." ⎯ since there are no quotation marks in the Greek manuscripts, any quotations are determined by the details in the context. Your statement that there's nothin...

@FreeAme19691836 Hi Russell, I am using X to address specific issues, and at this time, the forbidding of women as elders and pastors is on the forefront for me. Your assumption that I care little for the salvation of others is misjudged. I ask the...

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@ronhenzel Ron, God predestining the fall—that is that He ordained that man should fall means that God desired man to fall. That God preferred man to sin. That He booby-trapped him so that he would commit sin. That is very different than foreseeing ...

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii I am not a liberal and I’m not smuggling anything. Where does the text clearly forbid women? If “one wife husband” doesn’t forbid single males then it isn’t meant to specify marriage or maleness. Paul is intent...

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii Where does it say “if a man seeks”? The word used is “tis” in the neuter which means someone or anyone. You are imposing a clearly unintended meaning on the idiom “one wife husband” since even Paul isn’t marrie...

@David_Timothy17 @MikeWingerii Then why is he calling those who spread egalitarian teaching to repent? Why is he recommending female pastors to resign? Why is he advising his followers who go to egalitarian churches to leave loudly and take others wi...

@Sim_Cekiso @MikeWingerii I didn’t claim that. My comment could have been worded

@JohnRollins01 @MikeWingerii It’s ok to think you are correct on a debatable matter. It’s not ok to treat a debatable matter like a primary one and treat those whom you disagree with like they are sinning and greatly harming the church. Tell me—how ...

@MikeWingerii What I find curious is what you think are the requirements for fem

@VoltaireSly @GlennDavies @MikeWingerii I’m pressing Mike—particularly when he seems to push on something that speaks to his hard stance on secondary matters—because his call for repentance and dividing of egalitarian churches is so over the top. Wh...

@lunarCelerity @pastherandie @MikeWingerii You are right that something doesn't sit right with how he seems to speak of egalitarians as brothers and sisters but then calls them to repent of spreading the teaching. If they refuse to repent, wouldn't t...

@clay_keller1 @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Yes, this is a matter of Mike's own conscience on a debatable matter. He is free to conclude that the Bible promotes a complementarian view, but not as a matter of sin if you don't have male-only elders. If...

@benkrake @MikeWingerii Sure, debating and teaching the correct Biblical view of alcohol is important. Notice that forbidding alcohol is not the correct view but one shared by those of weak conscience. Paul speaks about not doing anything to cause a ...

@StevenMKestner @MikeWingerii No because any s3xual relationship outside of the confines of a marital relationship between a man and a woman is sin. It is clearly listed as such. Show me where a godly woman teaching truth to men is a sin, or where ...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii I wasn't aware that some Calvary Chapel's are egal. If that's true, I'd like to know which one(s). I appreciate you as a Calvinist are willing to go to a non-Calvinist church. By non-negotiable, do you mean it is a sin for ...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii First, treating other believers like they are in unrepentant sin because they support or are female elders/pastors is a serious problem that causes disunity. Second, tolerating others that disagree with you on debatable matt...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii Treating egalitarians like they are not sinning would b

@benkrake @MikeWingerii If it is secondary then that means it is a debatable issue and is not a matter of sin. So we need to treat it that way and truly learn to tolerate those we disagree with on debatable matters. Where is a godly women teaching t...

@pastherandie @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii And Hawk, please show me one place in

@lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Mike has had a long time to correct or clarify his definition of secondary. As best as I can tell, to him it's a matter of perceived severity, not sin. He thinks that egalitarian teaching greatly harms marriage. How does ...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii So for you, you feel guilty listening to a godly woman

@j0rdanistyping @MikeWingerii Yet we both think we are right and have a biblical reason for our view. The point is that it isn't a primary matter for which we divide nor is it a matter of sin. It is a debatable matter. Think about this for a minute⎯...

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement as for elders. But Mike thinks its only the male d...

@Gates_of_Derry @MikeWingerii Right, secondary doesn't mean unimportant. But it also means it isn't sin, because sin is a primary matter we divide over. Does Mike call Calvinists to repent and divide from Calvinist churches? Does he call those who p...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii But Mike said he saw this as secondary. The problem is that he treats it as something more, like it's a sin issue to propagate egalitarian views and support female elders and pastors. If you cannot tolerate a secondary diffe...

@AslansHowe @Torncurtainorg @MikeWingerii I was an egalitarian for many years and my family tolerated being in a complementarian church. Why? Because it's not a matter of sin, but of conviction. If you can't tolerate this, then leave peaceably with t...

"Thank you for refusing to proclaim, with any authority, less or more than what Scripture says."⎯@MikeWingerii Something you yourself might want to consider related to your call for egalitarians to repent of the teaching and others to loudly leave t...

@ronhenzel @kennyinnes You are imposing something on Paul’s intention that I don’t see in his listed purposes which are: 1️⃣ Building Up the Church: Prophecy serves to edify, or build up, the church (1Co 14:4). 2️⃣ Encouragement and Consolation: Pr...

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 So it appears you are imposing a category of prophecy

@kennyinnes @ronhenzel Exactly. And without a single command in scripture as to

@B_Christs_Amb Yes, our inheritance which includes ruling and reigning with Christ on His throne (Rev 3:21), judging the nations and even judging angels (1Co 6:2-3; Rev 2:26-28). There is no gender-role hierarchy of authority of husband over wife. Y...

@Gates_of_Derry @reformedbapty @CherylSchatz Well, Christ is king from before the world began. Yet we will see Him reigning in the millennial kingdom. It can be confusing to say Christ is King in general because He is only the king of those who submi...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii So the modified process now has 4 steps? 1️⃣ The person who becomes aware of the sin confronts the person. 2️⃣ 1 or 2 elders join the first lerson. 3️⃣ The team of elders take ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I only found out why people were refusing the elements after the meeting. No one told me beforehand that I couldn’t speak. No one stopped me. Only in a private meeting afterwar...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

@Whitehorse1255 @ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Sounds like a great story about Edwards. However, shouldn’t we just do what scripture says? Communion is both a unifying meal and a gospel proclam...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

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