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@LovesSardine The requirements for elder are character qualifications and ability to teach, not whether you are male, female, Jewish, Gentile, married, single, short, tall, young or old, single, widowed, rich or poor. Paul's purpose was to stop the ...

@LovesSardine The requirements for elder are character qualifications and ability to teach, not whether you are male, female, Jewish, Gentile, married, single, short, tall, young or old, single, widow

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring to this cult but to Jewish myths. It matters not...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ It's only obvious becau

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ It's only obvious because it's how you were brought up and taught. I'm saying, "to the text!" That may mean something you were taught isn't act

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Right, of course. Such

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Right, of course. Such savage wolves to allow female leaders to lead alongside men, like Priscilla alongside Aquila... those savage wolves even

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would increase (same word used for Adam) and her desire wou...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would inc

Gen 3:16 debate

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ This might give a hint on what happened after the apostles: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ This might give a hint on what happened after the apostles: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing

Ac 20:29 general

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperative

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperatives in Gen 3:16 (therefore, no commands). Take a look at the Hebrew.

Gen 3:16 general

@LovesSardine Wow. So why didn’t God say “All female pastors will find their par

@LovesSardine Wow. So why didn’t God say “All female pastors will find their part in the lake of fire”? Wouldn’t that be clear?

@ChrisGalanek @subq PS> You seem to be presbyterian. I happen to know others

@ChrisGalanek @subq PS> You seem to be presbyterian. I happen to know others in the PCA and they are very hostile to those who think women can be pastors. If you changed your view, you may be in se

@Bigfoot_253 What do you mean? They missed this for 2000 years? It's a fundament

@Bigfoot_253 What do you mean? They missed this for 2000 years? It's a fundamental of the faith. "I believe in Jesus, fully God and fully man, born of a virgin, died on a cross...and in male only past

@LovesSardine If someone believes they are following scripture, how is that pride? I believe scripture encourages those who have the appropriate character and ability and desire to serve as overseers⎯they desire a good thing! You cannot presume the ...

@LovesSardine If someone believes they are following scripture, how is that pride? I believe scripture encourages those who have the appropriate character and ability and desire to serve as overseers⎯

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching "strange doctrines" (1Ti 1:3) needs to be silen

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching "strange doctrines" (1Ti 1:3) needs to be silent *and learn*. With full submission because she was teaching heresy! That's why Paul says "She will be saved..." because

1Ti 1:3 general

@JonByers186054 When I interpret scripture, I take the context, the author and audience, the purpose and all details in the text and references into consideration. If I find an interpretation that makes better sense of everything than others have in ...

@JonByers186054 When I interpret scripture, I take the context, the author and audience, the purpose and all details in the text and references into consideration. If I find an interpretation that mak

@JackmanRobert That said, no where in scripture is a woman "forbidden" to be a pastor/elder/overseer. You are obviously reading this into the text. We don't have anything like that "an elder must not be a woman" for example. 1Ti 3:2 is using the male...

@JackmanRobert That said, no where in scripture is a woman "forbidden" to be a pastor/elder/overseer. You are obviously reading this into the text. We don't have anything like that "an elder must not

1Ti 3:2 general

@JackmanRobert I agree that elders are pastors in scripture. Overseer / elder / pastor are used interchangeably. I don't see elders are rulers of a church either, though them all meeting together to discuss matters of doctrine is wholly consistent wi...

@JackmanRobert I agree that elders are pastors in scripture. Overseer / elder / pastor are used interchangeably. I don't see elders are rulers of a church either, though them all meeting together to d

@NateSchlomann 1) I think I can agree with you. So I'd like you to show me where God clearly "commands" that an elder must not be a woman. 2) Nature (ie. animals) teaches that some animals dominate others. So we are to follow what the animals do? Ho...

@NateSchlomann 1) I think I can agree with you. So I'd like you to show me where God clearly "commands" that an elder must not be a woman. 2) Nature (ie. animals) teaches that some animals dominate o

@JonByers186054 I don't know what you are talking about. I'm reading the Bible, not feminists. Why do you think I need to read feminist literature to understand the Bible? I think you are confusing me with someone else... Actually, I don't know very...

@JonByers186054 I don't know what you are talking about. I'm reading the Bible, not feminists. Why do you think I need to read feminist literature to understand the Bible? I think you are confusing me

@JonByers186054 Deborah was the judge of all Israel (spiritual and civil)! She w

@JonByers186054 Deborah was the judge of all Israel (spiritual and civil)! She was also the prophet. If that isn't a position of authority, I don't know what is. And God chose her and kept her there f

@JonByers186054 What do you mean by "position of authority over a congregation"? What authority does the pastor have over you? What does he tell you to do that someone else couldn't? I'm genuinely curious. Also...we test against scripture not agains...

@JonByers186054 What do you mean by "position of authority over a congregation"? What authority does the pastor have over you? What does he tell you to do that someone else couldn't? I'm genuinely cur

@JoeAdrian256 And notice that 1Ti 3 speaks of children (plural) and infers that they are believing. Does that mean you are not qualified to be an elder until you have at least two children old enough to choose to believe for themselves? Paul also did...

@JoeAdrian256 And notice that 1Ti 3 speaks of children (plural) and infers that they are believing. Does that mean you are not qualified to be an elder until you have at least two children old enough

@JoeAdrian256 I referenced 1Co 7 because Paul clarifies that he is single and advocates for others to desire to be single which would mean that if they all followed his advice, there would be no elders whatsoever! But see, you note as I did "...but *...

@JoeAdrian256 I referenced 1Co 7 because Paul clarifies that he is single and advocates for others to desire to be single which would mean that if they all followed his advice, there would be no elder

@JonByers186054 Eisegesis is inserting ideas foreign to the context into a text. How am I doing this? Which foreign ideas or concepts am I inserting? What narratives are made up? Paul connects a woman and a man with Adam and Eve, the time order of cr...

@JonByers186054 Eisegesis is inserting ideas foreign to the context into a text. How am I doing this? Which foreign ideas or concepts am I inserting? What narratives are made up? Paul connects a woman

@JonByers186054 Not one female elder or pastor in 2000 years? You're kidding, ri

@JonByers186054 Not one female elder or pastor in 2000 years? You're kidding, right? More than half of the underground church leadership in Iran is female. But my first question is for you to show me

@JonByers186054 Deborah is extra-biblical? 🤔 I don't read your "God-hating femi

@JonByers186054 Deborah is extra-biblical? 🤔 I don't read your "God-hating feminists." No woman was a priest. Nor was any male from 11/12 of the tribes of Israel. Deborah never taught scripture? Rea

Matt 28:18-20 question

@JonByers186054 Wait, hang on, where is it in God's law that a woman cannot be an elder or leader? How is it that God chose Deborah to be the judge of all Israel and its prophet? Leading others to teach truth and lead others into the truth⎯regardles...

@JonByers186054 Wait, hang on, where is it in God's law that a woman cannot be an elder or leader? How is it that God chose Deborah to be the judge of all Israel and its prophet? Leading others to te

@JoeAdrian256 The interesting thing is that many feel that a married man being a

@JoeAdrian256 The interesting thing is that many feel that a married man being a pastor to a single woman which is frequently problematic isn't a problem also. The way to resolve this of course is to

@JoeAdrian256 Thanks for continuing to discuss. I appreciate you pushing back and clarifying your position again. "...a married woman to be a pastor to one man..."⎯this is a curious framing of what I'm saying. I'm actually saying the person doesn't ...

@JoeAdrian256 Thanks for continuing to discuss. I appreciate you pushing back and clarifying your position again. "...a married woman to be a pastor to one man..."⎯this is a curious framing of what I

@StandAndKnox Paul simply connected this wife who was deceived and her husband (

@StandAndKnox Paul simply connected this wife who was deceived and her husband (not deceived and silent, likely an elder) with the situation in Eden where Adam was informed and silent and only Eve was

@StandAndKnox Paul himself identifies as someone who was deceived and who God had mercy on. Paul spent considerable time in Ephesus but left some things undone, so he wanted Timothy to remain to stop the spread of strange doctrines. There was evident...

@StandAndKnox Paul himself identifies as someone who was deceived and who God had mercy on. Paul spent considerable time in Ephesus but left some things undone, so he wanted Timothy to remain to stop

@StandAndKnox The purpose of Paul's personal letter to Timothy was to stop the s

@StandAndKnox The purpose of Paul's personal letter to Timothy was to stop the spread of strange doctrines. Paul recognizes that there are those who are deceived and those who are in willful rebellion

@dale621 @StandAndKnox Even Irenaeus’ work Against Heresies (circa 180) doesn't

@dale621 @StandAndKnox Even Irenaeus’ work Against Heresies (circa 180) doesn't claim that female elders is a heresy.

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ First, Eve's rate of conception would increase so that the world would be populated since they would die. Second, Eve wouldn't divorce her husband but would desire him (it doesn't say desire to...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ First, Eve's rate of conception would increase so that the world would be populated since they would die. Second, Eve wouldn't divorce her husb

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Since women were always able to be saved, Gal 3:28 does not teach that finally in the new covenant women could be saved and all those women before this point are eternally lost. Gal 3:28 is th...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Since women were always able to be saved, Gal 3:28 does not teach that finally in the new covenant women could be saved and all those women bef

Gal 3:28 general

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Which passage are you referring to? Gen 3:16? God didn't command Adam to rule his wife but this was a consequence of sin. I'm saying Adam didn't have to rule his wife and would have done better...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Which passage are you referring to? Gen 3:16? God didn't command Adam to rule his wife but this was a consequence of sin. I'm saying Adam didn'

Gen 3:16 debate

@JoeAdrian256 Oh...and here's someone I'm sure who think that a female pastor is

@JoeAdrian256 Oh...and here's someone I'm sure who think that a female pastor is going to hell. https://t.co/K9TwVfTKop

@JoeAdrian256 Well, that's good. But it's probably not good to say "no one" as I have met many here on X that think so. Do you think that deliberately doing what you believe the Bible teaches is a problem? If the Bible says "all liars will have thei...

@JoeAdrian256 Well, that's good. But it's probably not good to say "no one" as I have met many here on X that think so. Do you think that deliberately doing what you believe the Bible teaches is a pr

@StandAndKnox Also, I'm not interpreting Paul to mean the exact opposite of what he means. I'm saying that he didn't mean what you are claiming. It is not the case that we can take any text and just make it say whatever we want. All the evidence must...

@StandAndKnox Also, I'm not interpreting Paul to mean the exact opposite of what he means. I'm saying that he didn't mean what you are claiming. It is not the case that we can take any text and just m

@StandAndKnox Hang on, I was making brunch. So what you seem to be suggesting is that saying that women are not forbidden from serving as elders means that they are elevating themselves to be first? So any woman who ends up serving as an elder⎯say in...

@StandAndKnox Hang on, I was making brunch. So what you seem to be suggesting is that saying that women are not forbidden from serving as elders means that they are elevating themselves to be first? S

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ The early church though

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ The early church thought only Jews were allowed too. Why don’t you correct Paul on that one? And especially his Gal 3:28 statement.

Gal 3:28 question

@StandAndKnox The church is not a hierarchy so you clearly got that one all twis

@StandAndKnox The church is not a hierarchy so you clearly got that one all twisted. You are making the church to be like the world.

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony Ge 1:28 is where God gave commands fo

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony Ge 1:28 is where God gave commands for both to rule and did not indicate any dominant one. Physical strength is not relevant to leading a church or Bible st

Ge 1:28 general

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony Actually, I think you are reading you

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony Actually, I think you are reading your own bias into scripture. But being male is not required for leadership. Maybe if we didn’t mess that up people wouldn

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony The early church was also all Jews. Yes, the church led by the apostles. They had to figure that one out too. It is taking a lot longer to realize their favouritism of male over female and making it seem li...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony The early church was also all Jews. Yes, the church led by the apostles. They had to figure that one out too. It is taking a lot longer to realize their fav

@109evictions That’s your wisdom? I take it you are not an elder.

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony But interpreting scripture requires t

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony But interpreting scripture requires the ability to read in context. A scripture taken out of its context is a pretext for a proof text. https://t.co/ZQizsThB

@RevBCD Why are you speaking for Jay Engel? If he supports female elders then wh

@RevBCD Why are you speaking for Jay Engel? If he supports female elders then why doesn’t he come over here and clarify why he was less careful with his words?

@Flyoverland22 Paul wrote a personal letter to Timothy (which he was aware the c

@Flyoverland22 Paul wrote a personal letter to Timothy (which he was aware the church would read and benefit from) which exhorts Timothy to remain in Ephesus to stop the teaching of strange doctrines,

@Tako1Fall A woman of godly character who is able to teach and teaches the truth

@Tako1Fall A woman of godly character who is able to teach and teaches the truth with patient instruction and desires to serve as an elder should not be forbidden from doing so. God doesn’t forbid thi

@RevBCD God is no respect or of persons and if He gifts someone and they have th

@RevBCD God is no respect or of persons and if He gifts someone and they have the requisite character and ability then they should be allowed to serve. Equal consideration is what egalitarian means.