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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believ

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believe they should be able to speak as God leads should be ignored because they are females and they are usurping the primacy

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is the quote: "The accuracy of the NTS articles of G...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believ

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is the quote: "The accuracy of the NTS articles of G...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Linda Belleville showed other places where the verb form clearly means to murder; the verb form is very rare. Timothy would know what this meant, but Timothy would certainly not have thought it m...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in government is not to be found within the church! Mike cann...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of authority, he had several common words he could hav...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority but source relationships. You have been thoroughly...

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of the Bible. Linda Belleville did an exhaustive se...

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who will just tell us what to do, rather than someone...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam They can teach or preach in whatever capacity their gifting allows them to. What they cannot do is teach false doctrine which leads away from faith in Christ's work alone which is what the woman in Ephesus was doing. I'm ...

@NSanctification Ok, so women can teach and perform the same tasks as elders, just so long as they avoid doing it for 2 hours on Sunday morning between 10am and 12pm? So in their homes is fine? What do you mean by be in authority over a man? Does ...

@jdenehar We follow elders if they relate God's instructions accurately. So who we are following is actually God and His Word. Elders don't have a special teaching "authority" but a responsibility and a service to offer. About headship, take a loo...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Yes, Paul makes his argument from the order of creation. No, there is no mention of authority. First doesn't make superior⎯if so, the animals would rule over the man. The first born is just first, not the best. So what'...

@No_Sugar_m8 @smashbaals Why would you say that Jewish believers held contempt for Paul? Paul was accepted by the leaders and members of the Jerusalem church. There were letters circulating supposedly from him but which were forgeries, so he has re...

@Deigratia1985 I didn't say I felt that way. I'm reasoning about what mutual su

This is an important point about authority in the Christian faith. 👇 https://t.c

@3HillsMinor What authority does anyone have in the church? If my pastor says I can’t serve on the choir, I willingly submit what I want to keep the peace, but I don’t obey him because he’s the “authority.” If he says I need to obey this or that in...

@MikeWingerii In the above clip, and assuming a similar approach is taken in congregational settings, I'm compelled to ask about the authority behind your teachings. Is your authority as a male based on personal interpretation, or does it hold doctr...

@Christopherf6K Where is the term “role” ever mentioned in the Greek? Where does it say “leaders must not be females?” The clarity on gender restrictions in leadership is not given as you assume. Further, testifying to what Jesus previously said a...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I’m just curious. What does “authority

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC The doctrine that came out of this was set out by the Apostles⎯James, Paul, Peter, but it was also agreed to by the WHOLE church. James was the leader in this judgment but in verse 22 it was the whole church which inclu...

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC 1 Tim 2:12⎯taken completely out of context⎯can appear clear. Don't skip the hard work of reading in context. No one is supposed to "lord it over" anyone. So if your view of having superior authority over another pers...

@thatlandinotho Does your pastor exercise authority over you?

@EricMHancox @hanshotf1rst @sailemptyskies @Endeavourov1 @CovenantReform2 @dmichaelclary What does that mean exactly, to exercise “authority over” you? Does your pastor tell you who you should marry aside from relating the wisdom found in scripture?...

@jdenehar Thanks for sharing your thoughts and chiming in. What are the specific husband/wife roles you are referring to? How do those apply to singles? what authority does your pastor and elders have? Can they tell you what kind of car you shoul...

@graceforprize Amen to those scriptures! Because leaders are supposed to convey God’s Word and take responsibility to follow up with people. What is the limit on obedience? What if the leader says something unbiblical or oversteps his bounds? Sur...

@ich1ban123456 @TemAleSaEliTa @Kdubtru Let’s move on from the donkey. Why would

@ich1ban123456 @Kdubtru I’m glad we agree that donkeys != women! Define “leader

@ich1ban123456 @TemAleSaEliTa @Kdubtru Well, it shows that the authority is in God’s Word, not the vessel. This doesn’t prove women can be pastors, but it should make you think why God would restrict godly women with exemplary character who are gift...

Sorry….only complementarian options allowed. By authority of my male pastor.

@PrayTheRosary12 "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit...

@dmichaelclary This is progress back to the original intent of the Biblical text. It is not progressive away from the text. 1 Tim 2:12 isn’t an imperative, it uses the singular and it references a word related to authority that isn’t used in a posi...

@baste_goblin You keep throwing around that cult term to try to discredit me, but technically it refers to those who deny the fundamentals of the faith. Whether women can preach or teach or lead, or the specifics of one’s interpretation of 1 Tim 2:1...

@laurchas22 But find another group of sincere believers who are true to the scri

@autocorrect2_0 Most seem to get the idea there is a hierarchy of authority from

@RandallVaughn14 @AlanChilde36050 @Moonwood570 @5Solas2 I have a question to ask you: what authority does a pastor have? If he tells you to do something that contradicts the Bible or violates your conscience, will you listen? If he says you cannot ...

@WWUTTcom This idea of holding a specific office as the grave concern of the Apostles seems odd. Do you listen to someone more because of the office they hold? If they speak with authority, does that mean they are always right so you can just stop ...

@DougGroothuis “Thus, Paul does not bar women from ministries that involve teaching and/or having authority over men (whether locally or universally). Rather, when Paul says that a woman must neither teach nor authentein a man, **he has in mind what ...

@autocorrect2_0 @RealizeYour @markallison I don’t listen to the pastor or speaker because they speak with authority; I listen when they speak words that are faithful to the biblical text. When you witness to someone, do they only listen if you speak...

@autocorrect2_0 The first thing is this umbrella analogy is non-sensical as all

@Peparethus @smashbaals Unfortunately those quotes are accurate and a blight on these leaders who seemed to be either ignorant or deceived about what the Bible taught about ethnic Jews. Taking Christendom as a whole represented by these leaders is n...

@Cadogan_Barde @Deigratia1985 @MikeWingerii Yes, that is a reasonable approach. In this case, the text even says that wives have authority over their own head to decide whether or not to cover their head or not. That means covering one’s head is no...

@Deigratia1985 @MikeWingerii Based on a careful study of the passages purported to restrict women, yes, I have come to the conclusion that scripture does not restrict women from serving in leadership—teaching, pastoral and oversight roles are availab...

@Rach4Patriarchy Thanks for the response. This raises some questions for me as I still don’t quite understand your perspective. 1. If a husband permits or encourages his wife to write a book, does this mean he’s responsible for the teaching or auth...

@Rach4Patriarchy @Cernovich By the authority vested in me as a man I pronounce t

@GodsContractor Curious. How did the apostle Paul prove his leadership with a r

@Mosleya62Mosley @dannolane @Rach4Patriarchy Usually leaders are those who serve all and lead by example. They are mature, lead exemplary lives, are humble, Biblically faithful, and elders/overseers/pastors must be able to teach and correct false te...

@Mosleya62Mosley @dannolane @Rach4Patriarchy Amen. And Jesus (or the apostles)

@BenZeisloft Are all your leaders Jewish males like the apostles? Right. I did

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@RedBeardthePat @smashbaals Yes, the man was created first and was the source of the woman, his wife. This has nothing to do with authority and everything to do with equality—they are one flesh. And you claim I’m rejecting scripture and inventing a...

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