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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-01

@DST_QA I don't make this a "hill to die on" as I have attended complementarian churches and am able to work within their restrictions. However, I find that most comp churches won't allow those who are convinced egalitarians into leadership, so it h...

@DST_QA I don't make this a "hill to die on" as I have attended complementarian churches and am able to work within their restrictions. However, I find that most comp churches won't allow those who a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-01

@DST_QA I've believed this since around 2009 but didn't make it a big issue until the last 5 years. I was in a complementarian church (Calvary Chapel), then non-denom (egalitarian), then Baptist (mostly complementarian but shifting). In the Baptist...

@DST_QA I've believed this since around 2009 but didn't make it a big issue until the last 5 years. I was in a complementarian church (Calvary Chapel), then non-denom (egalitarian), then Baptist (mos

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@smashbaals We have deprecated the importance and centrality of the Lord’s suppe

@smashbaals We have deprecated the importance and centrality of the Lord’s supper for His church. This doesn’t mean it’s required everytime, but why not? https://t.co/jRE9p10Z0f

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Of course I have a pastor, it's not Winger but I do appreciate much of his work. There are female elders in my church (as you might expect). We are leaving the Reformed Church of Am...

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Of course I have a pastor, it's not Winger but I do appreciate much of his work. There are female elders in my church (as you might

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning 1 Timothy 3:15 (NASB95) 15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning 1 Timothy 3:15 (NASB95) 15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household

1 Timothy 3:15 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 Why would God want His church to split over something so trivial as whether true doctrine was spoken by a godly female vessel? I am on side with you about the acceptance of sin being a problem, but I’m just saying I don’t...

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 Why would God want His church to split over something so trivial as whether true doctrine was spoken by a godly female vessel? I am on side with you about the acceptance o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@Deigratia1985 @3HillsMinor I had to intervene when my church almost split over

@Deigratia1985 @3HillsMinor I had to intervene when my church almost split over this issue. When the SBC started kicking out churches, that was the final straw.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@Deigratia1985 @SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I look forward to seeing whatever evidence you have. I’d also like to know what personal benefit you think I gain by being attacked all day long defending the right of women to be tr...

@Deigratia1985 @SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I look forward to seeing whatever evidence you have. I’d also like to know what personal benefit you think I gain by being attacked

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use the plural to refer to individuals? Most single/bar...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastors, but they weren’t the mainstream. Luther disagr...

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church you need to keep silent violates God’s commands in ...

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church y

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and restrict women from something and make it a sin if...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in government is not to be found within the church! Mike cann...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in governmen

1 Tim 2:2 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Is church history authoritative for you?

@ymmotrojam Is church history authoritative for you?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by disobeying a command, then consider the following comm...

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by diso

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Tom, I'm going to prophesy to you over X... You have seen a woman w

@ymmotrojam Tom, I'm going to prophesy to you over X... You have seen a woman who speaks in church as unclean to this point. But what God has cleansed, NO LONGER CONSIDER UNCLEAN.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the faith with a clear conscience, etc)⎯it also doesn't ...

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the fa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam So a woman can bump into 5 church friends at Walmart, gather in a ci

@ymmotrojam So a woman can bump into 5 church friends at Walmart, gather in a circle and pray out loud for each other and prophesy, but if they did this in the formal gathering, they would be sinning?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Sin is sin. It's not about sincerity or my heart's d

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Sin is sin. It's not about sincerity or my heart's desire. So you are ok with me going to Hell? Would you ever attend my church and fellowship with us as fellow believers

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Ok, but you are literally making this up. The church is the people...whoever can make it...whether they knew about a formal invite or not. So every woman is going to come and say "Hey, pastor, was there a formal invite that went out? I...

@ymmotrojam Ok, but you are literally making this up. The church is the people...whoever can make it...whether they knew about a formal invite or not. So every woman is going to come and say "Hey, p

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Paul's point here is constructing a sort of worst case scenario, that is⎯if the entire church gathers and a large group all speaks in foreign tongues, there will be no way anyone could understand anything. It's one thing if 5 people are ...

@ymmotrojam Paul's point here is constructing a sort of worst case scenario, that is⎯if the entire church gathers and a large group all speaks in foreign tongues, there will be no way anyone could und

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam If I were a woman in your church, I would consider the Bible study t

@ymmotrojam If I were a woman in your church, I would consider the Bible study to be my church. That is where I would feel God is able to use me without restriction. I would tolerate Sunday morning

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the way, does your church eat together every Sunday? I ...

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the wa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Rather, it is those in the church that say God prefers one biological sex over the other (even though He saves both) that may in fact be the impetus causing much of the cultural backlash and overshoot. But at any rate, I d...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Rather, it is those in the church that say God prefers one biological sex over the other (even though He saves both) that may in fact be the impetus causing much of the cult

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 If a church goes egalitarian in rebellion to what they think is the clear teaching of the text, this spells problems. I agree with that. But that is not what I and my church are doing. We don’t believe that these scriptu...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 If a church goes egalitarian in rebellion to what they think is the clear teaching of the text, this spells problems. I agree with that. But that is not what I and my chur

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who will just tell us what to do, rather than someone...

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam What do you define to be a church? How many have to gather? What m

@ymmotrojam What do you define to be a church? How many have to gather? What makes it official? Must it be in a building with a pulpit and an amplification system to be official? Is a Bible study

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Balance does not equate to only males speaking. Many churches today only have the pastor and maybe one other person speaking, so what you are saying to restrict women from speaking from the front doesn't make much differen...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Balance does not equate to only males speaking. Many churches today only have the pastor and maybe one other person speaking, so what you are saying to restrict women from

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Singing is just speaking put to music. If she cannot speak then she cannot sing. That would be taking away the glory of a man. In church only males can have God’s glory. Women should be sitting silently and listening to the...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Singing is just speaking put to music. If she cannot speak then she cannot sing. That would be taking away the glory of a man. In church only males can have God’s glory. Wom

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So women cannot speak or sing then? You said their r

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So women cannot speak or sing then? You said their role in church was to be silent.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So it is shameful, filthy nakedness, base, sordid, sh

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So it is shameful, filthy nakedness, base, sordid, shameful to speak in church...but they can sing? Or are they also not allowed to sing?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I know what will solve all problems... if church were

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I know what will solve all problems... if church were held in a monastery and all were silent. Wait⎯but then we've got that pesky imperative "do not forbid"...

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam They can teach or preach in whatever capacity their gifting allows them to. What they cannot do is teach false doctrine which leads away from faith in Christ's work alone which is what the woman in Ephesus was doing. I'm ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam They can teach or preach in whatever capacity their gifting allows them to. What they cannot do is teach false doctrine which leads away from faith in Christ's work alone w

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam The church is not a building, it is any gathering of people. Prophecy is not intended to be done in your closet! It is meant for the edification, encouragement and correction of the body. What good is it to say that the ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam The church is not a building, it is any gathering of people. Prophecy is not intended to be done in your closet! It is meant for the edification, encouragement and correct

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I'm simply taking Convexity's point seriously. You c

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I'm simply taking Convexity's point seriously. You can prophesy authoritatively...just not in church. Ok, then, outside the front door?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam If that is the case, why isn't church just for comple

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam If that is the case, why isn't church just for complementarian men and the rest of us can meet separately and call it a gathering so that the women can participate like the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So all doesn't mean all? It doesn't even mean all ki

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So all doesn't mean all? It doesn't even mean all kinds? It just means all males? 1 Cor 11:5 presumes women are praying and prophesying in church, but you believe that it

1 Cor 11:5 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam What do you mean Ch 11 is not speaking about in the church? Where are they praying and prophesying? Outside the front door? In the prayer room? To themselves? So, according to your view of Ch 14, women can speak when p...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam What do you mean Ch 11 is not speaking about in the church? Where are they praying and prophesying? Outside the front door? In the prayer room? To themselves? So, accor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Paul was quoting from the Corinthians which likely st

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Paul was quoting from the Corinthians which likely started from "As in all the churches of the saints, women are to keep silent..." https://t.co/7Y7QxeM1ER

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@No_Sugar_m8 @smashbaals Why would you say that Jewish believers held contempt for Paul? Paul was accepted by the leaders and members of the Jerusalem church. There were letters circulating supposedly from him but which were forgeries, so he has re...

@No_Sugar_m8 @smashbaals Why would you say that Jewish believers held contempt for Paul? Paul was accepted by the leaders and members of the Jerusalem church. There were letters circulating supposed

2 Thess 2:1-2 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@Deigratia1985 I didn't say I felt that way. I'm reasoning about what mutual su

@Deigratia1985 I didn't say I felt that way. I'm reasoning about what mutual submission means (Eph 5:21) and what authority in the church must not mean. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@3HillsMinor What authority does anyone have in the church? If my pastor says I can’t serve on the choir, I willingly submit what I want to keep the peace, but I don’t obey him because he’s the “authority.” If he says I need to obey this or that in...

@3HillsMinor What authority does anyone have in the church? If my pastor says I can’t serve on the choir, I willingly submit what I want to keep the peace, but I don’t obey him because he’s the “auth

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@3HillsMinor Show me one scripture in the entire New Testament that identifies a

@3HillsMinor Show me one scripture in the entire New Testament that identifies any specific person as a pastor (poimen) other than Jesus Himself. Now tell me again how you know women weren’t pastors

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@smashbaals I’ve attended: Evangelical➡️Evangelical Free, Pentecostal, Calvary Chapel➡️Non-denom➡️Apostolic Church of Pentecost, Baptist and Reformed Church of America (the church is in the midst of leaving this denomination and joining another). Th...

@smashbaals I’ve attended: Evangelical➡️Evangelical Free, Pentecostal, Calvary Chapel➡️Non-denom➡️Apostolic Church of Pentecost, Baptist and Reformed Church of America (the church is in the midst of l

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul is most certainly an overseer! Seriously, on what basis can you substantiate your claim? He is probably the quintessential model of one⎯taking care over multiple churches, writing letters,...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul is most certainly an overseer! Seriously, on what basis can you substantiate your claim? He is probably the quintessential model of one⎯ta

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@MikeWingerii 🔍 In the clip from [1:44:48] to [1:46:15], you again question how an egalitarian husband can avoid submitting to his wife. "Do he need to go to a different church?" you say. 🤔 But, I disagree with your interpretation of verse 12. I se...

@MikeWingerii 🔍 In the clip from [1:44:48] to [1:46:15], you again question how an egalitarian husband can avoid submitting to his wife. "Do he need to go to a different church?" you say. 🤔 But, I di

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@AlvinOchola @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren So pastors only submit to pastors? Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ." This obviously doesn’t mean be obedient to, but to willingly subject yourself under another. ...

@AlvinOchola @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren So pastors only submit to pastors? Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ." This obviously doesn’t mean be obedient to,

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC The doctrine that came out of this was set out by the Apostles⎯James, Paul, Peter, but it was also agreed to by the WHOLE church. James was the leader in this judgment but in verse 22 it was the whole church which inclu...

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC The doctrine that came out of this was set out by the Apostles⎯James, Paul, Peter, but it was also agreed to by the WHOLE church. James was the leader in this judgment b

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@sympatheticNPC @graceforprize I think, however, that we still have teachers in the church in that elders must be able to teach. So the Holy Spirit does work through people. It's just that we shouldn't consider any elder or pastor as "the teacher" ...

@sympatheticNPC @graceforprize I think, however, that we still have teachers in the church in that elders must be able to teach. So the Holy Spirit does work through people. It's just that we should

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@Ashwin_Vengayil @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren I think that Mike is now supported by YouTube/X revenue, so he is no longer employed in the position of pastor in a church. I heard him state the latter recently. I’m not certain about his r...

@Ashwin_Vengayil @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren I think that Mike is now supported by YouTube/X revenue, so he is no longer employed in the position of pastor in a church. I heard him state

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