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@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" That is, in your view... ❌Paul doesn't tell them to...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" T

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to only the men? The fact that they are to do it in ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, Paul said in v3

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, Paul said in v31 that "all can learn" but v35 suggests that women CANNOT LEARN in the community but must learn IN PRIVATE at home with

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3rd person plural, but the "you" in v36 is 2nd pers...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from se

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from serving as pastors. I guess your chart breaks at the first step. 🤷‍♂️

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals That translation misses the force of Paul’s words… "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?" (1Co 14:36, KJV). The fact is that the word came out from...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals That translation misses the force of Paul’s words… "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?" (1Co 14:

1Co 14:36 question

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. Paul did not say “must not be a woman,” but is sayi...

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. P

@ElonHasNoPP @kriesese @smashbaals No, that’s not true. I’m simply contending wi

@ElonHasNoPP @kriesese @smashbaals No, that’s not true. I’m simply contending with some who are misreading Paul.

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something they don’t think is right. You are applying aposto...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something t

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are never meant to share a hymn or a lesson in front of the whole group, just small groups… Must never let a woman encourage th

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you sa

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same portion of text (see 1Co 14:31 which says that al...

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same

1Co 14:31 question

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-26

@kriesese @smashbaals V34-35 are Paul quoting and responding to the Corinthian l

@kriesese @smashbaals V34-35 are Paul quoting and responding to the Corinthian letter (1Co 7:1) https://t.co/WHlrSQuDIp

1Co 7:1 general

@pastherandie @JohnGal63607182 @ryancduff @Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii It’s because he believes it harms the complementarian view that gender roles are to represent Christ and the church. He thinks there is a one way submission in that relationship...

@pastherandie @JohnGal63607182 @ryancduff @Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii It’s because he believes it harms the complementarian view that gender roles are to represent Christ and the church. He thinks

@ymmotrojam @JosiahHawthorne Tom, the point was that assuming your view was correct, your complaint that I wasn't being consistent applies also to you. Your claim was that Paul has to use "the law" in a consistent manner. If your claim that the way P...

@ymmotrojam @JosiahHawthorne Tom, the point was that assuming your view was correct, your complaint that I wasn't being consistent applies also to you. Your claim was that Paul has to use "the law" in

@KJesusChristian You are 100% right. We are not to dominate one another but to s

@KJesusChristian You are 100% right. We are not to dominate one another but to serve and love one another. And this is also what Peter and Paul's writings say. It is only those who twist their words t

@KJesusChristian But they are completely misunderstanding the words of Paul and

@KJesusChristian But they are completely misunderstanding the words of Paul and Peter as they are not in disagreement with Jesus.

@ymmotrojam Tom, you are the one that said if I was not interpreting the law the same way then I wasn’t being consistent. I merely noted that Paul as the author is the one who determines how he is using the term. And in 1Co 7:1 he tells us he is resp...

@ymmotrojam Tom, you are the one that said if I was not interpreting the law the same way then I wasn’t being consistent. I merely noted that Paul as the author is the one who determines how he is usi

1Co 7:1 general

@biblemarriages @kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla If that was the case, polygamy would be encouraged in the New Testament. Rather, it is clearly not encouraged. Monogomy is a requirement for leaders. And for all, in the context of asceticism and the probl...

@biblemarriages @kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla If that was the case, polygamy would be encouraged in the New Testament. Rather, it is clearly not encouraged. Monogomy is a requirement for leaders. And f

@ymmotrojam Please show me this hermeneutical law that forbids Paul from quoting from the law (and providing the reference) and then quoting from the Judiazers in the letter from the Corinthians who reference the law without any clear reference? Thes...

@ymmotrojam Please show me this hermeneutical law that forbids Paul from quoting from the law (and providing the reference) and then quoting from the Judiazers in the letter from the Corinthians who r

@ymmotrojam I do not believe it’s a textual variant. But I also believe that Pau

@ymmotrojam I do not believe it’s a textual variant. But I also believe that Paul is allowed to quote the letter he said he was responding to. Every word makes sense only in this way. https://t.co/WHl

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-23

@UndeadOrlan Marriage is not necessary; Jesus wasn't married and the apostle Pau

@UndeadOrlan Marriage is not necessary; Jesus wasn't married and the apostle Paul advocated for singleness in 1Cor 7. What specifically is your question as I'm not certain what your concern is.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-23

@RyanMessano Paul compares all believers to Eve. Guess what? Deception can affec

@RyanMessano Paul compares all believers to Eve. Guess what? Deception can affect anyone. “But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sin

2Co 11:3 debate

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii So the serious error that Paul left Timothy behind to fix was that godly women were teaching cor

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But we both believe that the Bible is inspired, right? In every word and even the grammar? I am not throwing out any part of it. Everything in com...

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But we both believe that the Bible is inspired, right? In every word and even the grammar? I am

@Aliphaire @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom is misrepresenting Paul’s words. Paul actually quoted those who though like Tom and said the following: "What? came the word of God out from you? ...

@Aliphaire @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom is misrepresenting Paul’s words. Paul actually quoted those who though like Tom and said the foll

1Co 14:36 question

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just read "Hard Sayings of the Bible," by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H Davids, FF Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch from 1996. The part on 1Co 14:34-35 does not propose...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just read "Hard Sayings of the Bible," by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H Davids, FF Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch fro

1Co 14:34-35 debate

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means an

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means and who 'a woman' and 'a man' refers to, and what Paul intends by choosing such a rare word, authentein, we have to look t

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument for what I think Paul is intending by what he w

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument for what I think Paul is intending by what he wrote. Based on what he said, I think Paul was an egalitarian.

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeW

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii No, they are there to teach us something. No sharpie required. The fact that Paul is refuting what these Judiaze

@MariusM38610501 Everything flows from the start of Paul’s argument. He commends the Corinthians for following the traditions he has conveyed to them. In this case, the tradition to not cover their heads was in view. However, there was some problems ...

@MariusM38610501 Everything flows from the start of Paul’s argument. He commends the Corinthians for following the traditions he has conveyed to them. In this case, the tradition to not cover their he

@russ_hjelm And it’s crazy too as Paul is referring to nature, something we can all check. We can all see that hair on our arms stops growing at a certain length. The same for eyebrows. But on the scalp, it doesn’t stop. And there’s no difference her...

@russ_hjelm And it’s crazy too as Paul is referring to nature, something we can all check. We can all see that hair on our arms stops growing at a certain length. The same for eyebrows. But on the sca

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You said it was dishonouring to say Paul was quoting from the Corinthians (well, likely the Judiazers who infiltrated them like the church at Galatia). How is tha...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You said it was dishonouring to say Paul was quoting from the Corinthians (well, likely the Judiazers who infilt

@ortrails This isn’t about what happens to some men as if it was about losing ou

@ortrails This isn’t about what happens to some men as if it was about losing our hair covering then Paul would be advocating for the *men* to cover their bald heads. Here’s what this passage means. h

Thanks to everyone who voted on my poll on 1Co 11:14-15! Most rightly recognized that nature doesn’t teach us that there is any difference between the head hair on a boy and a girl. So what is Paul saying? This verse has a translation issue. Let’s l...

Thanks to everyone who voted on my poll on 1Co 11:14-15! Most rightly recognized that nature doesn’t teach us that there is any difference between the head hair on a boy and a girl. So what is Paul s

1Co 11:14-15 question

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You know that Paul is quoting from the Corinthians elsewhere too, right? It’s dishonouring to the Holy Spirit for Paul to quote them and to correct them? Why are ...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You know that Paul is quoting from the Corinthians elsewhere too, right? It’s dishonouring to the Holy Spirit fo

@JollyStine @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii The vi

@JollyStine @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii The view that Paul is silencing unruly women in all the churches doesn’t make sense of the details in these verses. The only v

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Responding to Ron's points: Paul specifically points to deception and the time order of creation. Because he mentions Eve, "the childbearing" is a reference to the seed of the woman. Paul is extending the same grace to the de...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Responding to Ron's points: Paul specifically points to deception and the time order of creation. Because he mentions Eve, "the childbearing" is a reference to the seed of the

@ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, you are putting artificial constraints on the text. Why does Paul have to give women permission separately when his instructions are meant for all? "For you can ALL proph...

@ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, you are putting artificial constraints on the text. Why does Paul have to give women permission separately when his instr

1Co 14:31 question

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Yes, “a woman… the woman”—and in 1Ti 2:11-15, we have “a woman… the woman” with the details that she is deceived and teaching heresy and her husband is not deceived and being silent because of Paul’s connection with Adam and E...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Yes, “a woman… the woman”—and in 1Ti 2:11-15, we have “a woman… the woman” with the details that she is deceived and teaching heresy and her husband is not deceived and being s

1Ti 2:11-15 general

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel What purpose is Paul conveying to Timothy by waxing spiritual about the singular/plural nature of the church? This is a personal and somewhat urgent instruction letter to Timothy due to his concern about the false teaching an...

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel What purpose is Paul conveying to Timothy by waxing spiritual about the singular/plural nature of the church? This is a personal and somewhat urgent instruction letter to Timo

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authent

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authentein when he simply means authority?

@ronhenzel Further, this is why Paul reaches to a classical Greek word to get a very specific meaning: “to commit murder of one’s own kin by one’s own hand”—like how Eve handed the fruit to Adam and he ate and brought death to humanity, so also this ...

@ronhenzel Further, this is why Paul reaches to a classical Greek word to get a very specific meaning: “to commit murder of one’s own kin by one’s own hand”—like how Eve handed the fruit to Adam and h

@ronhenzel In isolation, it is generic. In the context of v14 where you have the noun repeated with the article, no you have a possibility it is specific. You have to ask questions like, “Is it referring to Eve or someone else? Why did Paul shift fro...

@ronhenzel In isolation, it is generic. In the context of v14 where you have the noun repeated with the article, no you have a possibility it is specific. You have to ask questions like, “Is it referr

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel It says “saved through THE childbearing”—it is a definite noun, not a verb. Given that in the context, Paul is referring to Eve and connecting her situation as a prototype of a specific wife teaching heresy in Ephesus, Paul ...

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel It says “saved through THE childbearing”—it is a definite noun, not a verb. Given that in the context, Paul is referring to Eve and connecting her situation as a prototype of

@ronhenzel Especially in the context where we have two anarthrous nouns. How do we decide? What is Paul intending in the context? Why not the personal pronoun? How is a generic woman saved through ‘the childbearing’ when not all women bear children...

@ronhenzel Especially in the context where we have *two* anarthrous nouns. How do we decide? What is Paul intending in the context? Why not the personal pronoun? How is a generic woman saved through ‘

@ronhenzel Why does Paul use the anaphoric to refer to Eve when normal usage is

@ronhenzel Why does Paul use the anaphoric to refer to Eve when normal usage is to use ‘she’?

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Is there anything in the context of Paul’s letter that

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Is there anything in the context of Paul’s letter that would help us decide whether this is related to angelic beings or human messengers (or as some have suggested, Judaism

@ronhenzel I asked that question about “what is ‘woman generically’” as I wanted

@ronhenzel I asked that question about “what is ‘woman generically’” as I wanted to know how you fit that into the context of Paul’s letter.

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Yes, I agree, but why involve the angels? How does thi

@ScottCross_8 @KyleYoakum Yes, I agree, but why involve the angels? How does this make Paul’s point if it is to show that she has the authority over her own head to make these decisions?