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@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve The question is what does the text mean by head, because Paul sees Adam as the head of Eve. Kephale has a range of meaning and the meaning intended is understood by the context. In this, t...

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve The question is what does the text mean by head, because Paul sees Adam as the head of Eve. Kephale has a range of meaning and the meaning

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-03

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve Yes! And from Adam’s own flesh making her literally part of his own body (which is why marriage is considered a one flesh union). The reason Paul refers to the creation order is not becaus...

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve Yes! And from Adam’s own flesh making her literally part of his own body (which is why marriage is considered a one flesh union). The reas

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve The question is what does the text mean by head, because Paul sees Adam as the head of Eve. Kephale has a range of meaning and the meaning intended is understood by the context. In this, t...

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve Yes! And from Adam’s own flesh making her literally part of his own body (which is why marriage is considered a one flesh union). The reason Paul refers to the creation order is not becaus...

@pastherandie @lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve This is actually the one instance where authority over the spouse is even mentioned! (I know of no other reference) "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise the...

@TeregianKunta @pauldirks @KaeleyT Wow, I just saw this! Thanks for the feedback. Hope you stick around and view some of my other posts on this subject. I hope to cover all the relevant passages…just finishing up 1 Cor 11:1-16, but got interrupted...

@GlennDavies @KaeleyT @PrestonSprinkle I actually don’t think that the complementarian view leads to oppression of women *necessarily.* I have been part of several complementarian churches and they typically just reserved the lead pastoral role for a...

@IvanIvez440026 @lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve Let's test this theory out, shall we?

@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi If Paul has in mind a template which he uses to interject in a discussion of a particular woman, he most certainly can use the article in this way. I have contacted Wallace in the past...would you like me to reach out to hi...

@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi So what you are essentially admitting though is that it could be either way? How then would Paul differentiate from "a woman" and "Eve" in the context of this passage? We have other reasons to believe that Eve cannot be "t...

@GlennDavies @PrestonSprinkle Hi Glenn! I’m looking forward to the day we can meet. It’s always enriching to connect with fellow pastors in our area. Your comment about the failures of various prominent pastors caught my attention. While these insta...

@skafoure @Brian_Sauve I answered this one to a pastor friend of mine earlier.

@haymes_joshua Here's a comment I shared with a pastor friend of mine that you may find helpful. I don't deny male headship, I just use the context to show that the word doesn't mean authority but source. The only place authority between the husban...

@RushiXmakima @MaryThurma27729 I agree with you that the church as it is especially in the west is unnecessarily fractured. I had a pastor tell me that I was welcome to become a member but since I disagreed with him on Calvinism, I would not be allo...

@MaryThurma27729 @RushiXmakima You are correct that they are synonymous in scripture. They are used interchangeably. While one may oversee multiple churches, overseeing one church or multiple churches is still performing the same function but on a ...

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Of course I have a pastor, it's not Winger but I do appreciate much of his work. There are female elders in my church (as you might expect). We are leaving the Reformed Church of Am...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Asking for the word “role” is not a poor argument. It is an appropriate question, especially since you claim that this is what the passage is all about. Is a man to have the “role” o...

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Was Paul hims

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Now isn’t that interesting. So now it is disrespectful to use someone’s teaching on grammar if it supports my interpretation of another passage? 🤔 Listen, I know he doesn’t agree wi...

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastors, but they weren’t the mainstream. Luther disagr...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are deceptive in how you are framing what I said and ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (Peter and John), and they self identify. - No one i...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all believe). - I already explained the meaning of 1 ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Right, but isn't it just funny that people are saying that being an elder must be male but the word itself is feminine? Don't you see the irony? Hey, I replied to a number of other things you stated. I hope you take the ...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is kinda funny…that overseer is feminine. I don’t nee...

RT @ryanschatz: @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin..

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority but source relationships. You have been thoroughly...

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and pastors to congregants). Women are not restricte...

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the faith with a clear conscience, etc)⎯it also doesn't ...

@ymmotrojam Ok, but you are literally making this up. The church is the people...whoever can make it...whether they knew about a formal invite or not. So every woman is going to come and say "Hey, pastor, was there a formal invite that went out? I...

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who will just tell us what to do, rather than someone...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Balance does not equate to only males speaking. Many churches today only have the pastor and maybe one other person speaking, so what you are saying to restrict women from speaking from the front doesn't make much differen...

@Duke456521 @Ashwin_Vengayil @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren Here's the thing. In the New Testament: - No one is explicitly identified as an overseer - Aside from Jesus, there's only two who are explicitly identified as elders (Peter and John) - No one...

@ronhenzel Kephale has different meanings including source or origin and this is

@NSanctification Ok, so women can teach and perform the same tasks as elders, just so long as they avoid doing it for 2 hours on Sunday morning between 10am and 12pm? So in their homes is fine? What do you mean by be in authority over a man? Does ...

@punkpublican I'm glad you allow women to evangelize! Wouldn't that be teaching someone the gospel? Being an elder is simply teaching and correcting to what the Bible says, not making new doctrine. What makes you think that this is the domain of m...

@t_mo_land @jdenehar Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the bfear of Christ." This includes husbands subjecting themselves to their wives and pastors to their congregants. The Biblical call is mutual subjection, so whatever the...

@jdenehar We follow elders if they relate God's instructions accurately. So who we are following is actually God and His Word. Elders don't have a special teaching "authority" but a responsibility and a service to offer. About headship, take a loo...

@3HillsMinor What authority does anyone have in the church? If my pastor says I can’t serve on the choir, I willingly submit what I want to keep the peace, but I don’t obey him because he’s the “authority.” If he says I need to obey this or that in...

@3HillsMinor Show me one scripture in the entire New Testament that identifies a

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Eph 5:21 is pretty clear too: “and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ.” We submit to one another. I’ve lived this way for decades of my marriage. You should try it—it work...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul is most certainly an overseer! Seriously, on what basis can you substantiate your claim? He is probably the quintessential model of one⎯taking care over multiple churches, writing letters,...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes. Paul is both an apo

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Even Mike Winger admits that women can be deacons and yet the term “one wife husband” is also a requirement of deacons. Was Paul married? No. And he advocated for singleness—since it removes d...

@TeamPapuForever @graceforprize Paul was both an apostle and overseer but not a husband. So this requirement cannot mean “must be married” but rather “if married, must be faithful.” The emphasis is on the “one.” For the same reason it doesn’t requ...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I’m just curious. What does “authority

@AlvinOchola @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren So pastors only submit to pastors? Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ." This obviously doesn’t mean be obedient to, but to willingly subject yourself under another. ...

@ChristVictorous An elder is simply someone who has exemplary and proven godly character, is able to handle the Word rightly, is capable of teaching, patient when contradicted, able to deal gently with those who contradict and correct false teaching,...

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC The doctrine that came out of this was set out by the Apostles⎯James, Paul, Peter, but it was also agreed to by the WHOLE church. James was the leader in this judgment but in verse 22 it was the whole church which inclu...

@graceforprize So your view is that a woman should not teach a man anything? So

@sympatheticNPC @graceforprize I think, however, that we still have teachers in the church in that elders must be able to teach. So the Holy Spirit does work through people. It's just that we shouldn't consider any elder or pastor as "the teacher" ...

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@GlennDavies @KaeleyT @PrestonSprinkle I actually don’t think that the complementarian view leads to oppression of women necessarily. I have been part of several complementarian churches and they typically just reserved the lead pastoral role for a...