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@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ I frequently help my wi

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ I frequently help my wife because she doesn't have my physical strength. Does that mean she is my ruler? Seriously.

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ The prophecy portion was that Eve would desire her husband. There are things God said would change. Increasing her rate of conception is not a judgment. That she would toil because of how many ...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ The prophecy portion was that Eve would desire her husband. There are things God said would change. Increasing her rate of conception is not a

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Ruling over creation together as partners. Eve was created as a corresponding helper, the same term used to refer to God as man's helper. Physical strength is irrelevant. God wasn't ordaining a...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Ruling over creation together as partners. Eve was created as a corresponding helper, the same term used to refer to God as man's helper. Physi

@LovesSardine The requirements for elder are character qualifications and ability to teach, not whether you are male, female, Jewish, Gentile, married, single, short, tall, young or old, single, widowed, rich or poor. Paul's purpose was to stop the ...

@LovesSardine The requirements for elder are character qualifications and ability to teach, not whether you are male, female, Jewish, Gentile, married, single, short, tall, young or old, single, widow

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring to this cult but to Jewish myths. It matters not...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring

@LovesSardine I am aware that some actually say Paul is clearly forbidding women but that Paul shouldn't be listened to. This is a very dangerous precedent. I am not saying this at all. Peter says that some things Paul writes are hard to understand. ...

@LovesSardine I am aware that some actually say Paul is clearly forbidding women but that Paul shouldn't be listened to. This is a very dangerous precedent. I am not saying this at all. Peter says tha

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ It's only obvious becau

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ It's only obvious because it's how you were brought up and taught. I'm saying, "to the text!" That may mean something you were taught isn't act

@_Nosoup4you__ @JonByers186054 Unfortunately, seeing how I'm being treated, it i

@_Nosoup4you__ @JonByers186054 Unfortunately, seeing how I'm being treated, it is clear that if any of these were to change their view, they would be persecuted and possibly kicked out of their church

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Right, of course. Such

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Right, of course. Such savage wolves to allow female leaders to lead alongside men, like Priscilla alongside Aquila... those savage wolves even

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would increase (same word used for Adam) and her desire wou...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would inc

Gen 3:16 debate

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ This might give a hint on what happened after the apostles: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ This might give a hint on what happened after the apostles: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing

Ac 20:29 general

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperative

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperatives in Gen 3:16 (therefore, no commands). Take a look at the Hebrew.

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@Forms_Respecter Jesus being God is clear in scripture. His virgin birth, death

@Forms_Respecter Jesus being God is clear in scripture. His virgin birth, death on the cross, and physical resurrection are clear. Why are these in the creeds and confessions?

@LovesSardine Wow. So why didn’t God say “All female pastors will find their par

@LovesSardine Wow. So why didn’t God say “All female pastors will find their part in the lake of fire”? Wouldn’t that be clear?

@ChrisGalanek @subq PS> You seem to be presbyterian. I happen to know others

@ChrisGalanek @subq PS> You seem to be presbyterian. I happen to know others in the PCA and they are very hostile to those who think women can be pastors. If you changed your view, you may be in se

@Bigfoot_253 What do you mean? They missed this for 2000 years? It's a fundament

@Bigfoot_253 What do you mean? They missed this for 2000 years? It's a fundamental of the faith. "I believe in Jesus, fully God and fully man, born of a virgin, died on a cross...and in male only past

@JoeAdrian256 Paul uses the male form of nouns and of the idiom "one woman man"

@JoeAdrian256 Paul uses the male form of nouns and of the idiom "one woman man" but that does not require that he means male only. There are a number of verses that use aner and clearly mean any perso

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching the truth doesn't lead to the occult. How is th

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching the truth doesn't lead to the occult. How is that a reasonable conclusion? Let me say it again. A woman teaching *THE TRUTH* does not lead to the occult.

@JonByers186054 1Ti 3:2 says "one woman man" or "one wife husband"⎯the male form is clear. I never said Paul wasn't using the male form of this idiom. But it doesn't mean male only is what I'm saying. Just like it doesn't mean married. Unless Paul is...

@JonByers186054 1Ti 3:2 says "one woman man" or "one wife husband"⎯the male form is clear. I never said Paul wasn't using the male form of this idiom. But it doesn't mean male only is what I'm saying.

1Ti 3:2 debate

@LovesSardine If someone believes they are following scripture, how is that pride? I believe scripture encourages those who have the appropriate character and ability and desire to serve as overseers⎯they desire a good thing! You cannot presume the ...

@LovesSardine If someone believes they are following scripture, how is that pride? I believe scripture encourages those who have the appropriate character and ability and desire to serve as overseers⎯

@JonByers186054 Just because the words used in 1Tim 3 are masculine doesn't mean

@JonByers186054 Just because the words used in 1Tim 3 are masculine doesn't mean that it is intended for males only. In Koine Greek, the masculine form can be used to speak generically too.

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching "strange doctrines" (1Ti 1:3) needs to be silen

@JonByers186054 A woman teaching "strange doctrines" (1Ti 1:3) needs to be silent *and learn*. With full submission because she was teaching heresy! That's why Paul says "She will be saved..." because

1Ti 1:3 general

@JonByers186054 When I interpret scripture, I take the context, the author and audience, the purpose and all details in the text and references into consideration. If I find an interpretation that makes better sense of everything than others have in ...

@JonByers186054 When I interpret scripture, I take the context, the author and audience, the purpose and all details in the text and references into consideration. If I find an interpretation that mak

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@JonByers186054 I'm saying you are claiming God forbids something I don't see scripture forbidding. I'm asking if scripture agrees with you. How else can I challenge someone's take of scripture? So now I'm not allowed to ask if someone has a correct...

@JonByers186054 I'm saying you are claiming God forbids something I don't see scripture forbidding. I'm asking if scripture agrees with you. How else can I challenge someone's take of scripture? So n

@JackmanRobert That said, no where in scripture is a woman "forbidden" to be a pastor/elder/overseer. You are obviously reading this into the text. We don't have anything like that "an elder must not be a woman" for example. 1Ti 3:2 is using the male...

@JackmanRobert That said, no where in scripture is a woman "forbidden" to be a pastor/elder/overseer. You are obviously reading this into the text. We don't have anything like that "an elder must not

1Ti 3:2 general

@JackmanRobert I agree that elders are pastors in scripture. Overseer / elder / pastor are used interchangeably. I don't see elders are rulers of a church either, though them all meeting together to discuss matters of doctrine is wholly consistent wi...

@JackmanRobert I agree that elders are pastors in scripture. Overseer / elder / pastor are used interchangeably. I don't see elders are rulers of a church either, though them all meeting together to d

@NateSchlomann 3) The historic church that is what we test against is the one de

@NateSchlomann 3) The historic church that is what we test against is the one described in scripture. We do not use the history of the church after scripture as a test for truth. https://t.co/13N7kET3

@NateSchlomann 1) I think I can agree with you. So I'd like you to show me where God clearly "commands" that an elder must not be a woman. 2) Nature (ie. animals) teaches that some animals dominate others. So we are to follow what the animals do? Ho...

@NateSchlomann 1) I think I can agree with you. So I'd like you to show me where God clearly "commands" that an elder must not be a woman. 2) Nature (ie. animals) teaches that some animals dominate o

@KingRomans828 But also, there are many men who see this as God ordaining them t

@KingRomans828 But also, there are many men who see this as God ordaining them to take power over others. That seems to be a clear connection one can make if God only selects men to lead and that all

@KingRomans828 Interesting reflections. Thanks for sharing. I think there is a mixture here. Some truly believe that they are advocating for what the Bible teaches, much like how "Saul" was persecuting Christians thinking that God wanted him to clear...

@KingRomans828 Interesting reflections. Thanks for sharing. I think there is a mixture here. Some truly believe that they are advocating for what the Bible teaches, much like how "Saul" was persecutin

@JonByers186054 I'm simply asking you for one quote. I'm not interested in readi

@JonByers186054 I'm simply asking you for one quote. I'm not interested in reading them, but you claim I got my teaching from them. Prove it.

@JonByers186054 Ok, back to question 1. If women were saved before the church a

@JonByers186054 Ok, back to question 1. If women were saved before the church age, then what does Gal 3:28 mean if it is referring only to salvation? Can you explain this please?

Gal 3:28 question

@JonByers186054 I don't know what you are talking about. I'm reading the Bible, not feminists. Why do you think I need to read feminist literature to understand the Bible? I think you are confusing me with someone else... Actually, I don't know very...

@JonByers186054 I don't know what you are talking about. I'm reading the Bible, not feminists. Why do you think I need to read feminist literature to understand the Bible? I think you are confusing me

@JonByers186054 How else do we know anything of what scripture is without studying it and looking at it in detail? Asking questions of the text is not questioning God's clear meaning like Satan did! God said "you will die" and Satan said "you will no...

@JonByers186054 How else do we know anything of what scripture is without studying it and looking at it in detail? Asking questions of the text is not questioning God's clear meaning like Satan did! G

@JonByers186054 I've never read either of those women's writing. I don't quote from others as I am reading and interpreting scripture myself. The fact that they might have got somethings correct is immaterial. It is likely that if we examined what th...

@JonByers186054 I've never read either of those women's writing. I don't quote from others as I am reading and interpreting scripture myself. The fact that they might have got somethings correct is im

@JonByers186054 First, don't you follow Jesus' instruction to not call anyone 'f

@JonByers186054 First, don't you follow Jesus' instruction to not call anyone 'father'? (Mat 23:9) The only ones that matter is the apostles and disciples in scripture. While church history is of som

Mat 23:9 question

@JonByers186054 Two questions: 1. Are you suggesting women were not saved before

@JonByers186054 Two questions: 1. Are you suggesting women were not saved before the church? 2. Are women now called sons?

@JonByers186054 Deborah was the judge of all Israel (spiritual and civil)! She w

@JonByers186054 Deborah was the judge of all Israel (spiritual and civil)! She was also the prophet. If that isn't a position of authority, I don't know what is. And God chose her and kept her there f

@JonByers186054 What do you mean by "position of authority over a congregation"? What authority does the pastor have over you? What does he tell you to do that someone else couldn't? I'm genuinely curious. Also...we test against scripture not agains...

@JonByers186054 What do you mean by "position of authority over a congregation"? What authority does the pastor have over you? What does he tell you to do that someone else couldn't? I'm genuinely cur

@JonByers186054 Just because priests were all men in the old covenant doesn't mean that women were forbidden to teach God's ordinances to God's people. Where are you getting that from? Why would God forbid anyone from teaching someone the truth? They...

@JonByers186054 Just because priests were all men in the old covenant doesn't mean that women were forbidden to teach God's ordinances to God's people. Where are you getting that from? Why would God f

@RevBCD The words that he is using is a very popular discussion and debate in the church right now. It is a huge issue in the SBC. I chose to speak on what I understood from his words. It's my page and I can do that if I want. Also, it seems everyone...

@RevBCD The words that he is using is a very popular discussion and debate in the church right now. It is a huge issue in the SBC. I chose to speak on what I understood from his words. It's my page an

@JoeAdrian256 And notice that 1Ti 3 speaks of children (plural) and infers that they are believing. Does that mean you are not qualified to be an elder until you have at least two children old enough to choose to believe for themselves? Paul also did...

@JoeAdrian256 And notice that 1Ti 3 speaks of children (plural) and infers that they are believing. Does that mean you are not qualified to be an elder until you have at least two children old enough

@JoeAdrian256 I referenced 1Co 7 because Paul clarifies that he is single and advocates for others to desire to be single which would mean that if they all followed his advice, there would be no elders whatsoever! But see, you note as I did "...but *...

@JoeAdrian256 I referenced 1Co 7 because Paul clarifies that he is single and advocates for others to desire to be single which would mean that if they all followed his advice, there would be no elder

@JonByers186054 You have no basis whatsoever to associate me with occultists and

@JonByers186054 You have no basis whatsoever to associate me with occultists and God haters. None whatsoever except your disdain for what I'm saying scripture teaches.

@JonByers186054 Eisegesis is inserting ideas foreign to the context into a text. How am I doing this? Which foreign ideas or concepts am I inserting? What narratives are made up? Paul connects a woman and a man with Adam and Eve, the time order of cr...

@JonByers186054 Eisegesis is inserting ideas foreign to the context into a text. How am I doing this? Which foreign ideas or concepts am I inserting? What narratives are made up? Paul connects a woman

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@JonByers186054 Not one female elder or pastor in 2000 years? You're kidding, ri

@JonByers186054 Not one female elder or pastor in 2000 years? You're kidding, right? More than half of the underground church leadership in Iran is female. But my first question is for you to show me

@JonByers186054 Deborah is extra-biblical? 🤔 I don't read your "God-hating femi

@JonByers186054 Deborah is extra-biblical? 🤔 I don't read your "God-hating feminists." No woman was a priest. Nor was any male from 11/12 of the tribes of Israel. Deborah never taught scripture? Rea

Matt 28:18-20 question

@JonByers186054 Wait, hang on, where is it in God's law that a woman cannot be an elder or leader? How is it that God chose Deborah to be the judge of all Israel and its prophet? Leading others to teach truth and lead others into the truth⎯regardles...

@JonByers186054 Wait, hang on, where is it in God's law that a woman cannot be an elder or leader? How is it that God chose Deborah to be the judge of all Israel and its prophet? Leading others to te

@JoeAdrian256 The interesting thing is that many feel that a married man being a

@JoeAdrian256 The interesting thing is that many feel that a married man being a pastor to a single woman which is frequently problematic isn't a problem also. The way to resolve this of course is to

@JoeAdrian256 Paul seems to be suggesting something more deep than being married

@JoeAdrian256 Paul seems to be suggesting something more deep than being married. Something like faithful if married and someone who promotes monogamy all in one statement.