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@Peacemaker811 @MikeWingerii Well, I guess a woman cannot teach heresy…but I’m s

@Peacemaker811 @MikeWingerii Well, I guess a woman cannot teach heresy…but I’m sure Mike would agree that men can’t either. So even equal in that one without a 1Tim 2:12 for men. 🤷‍♂️

1Tim 2:12 debate

Mike says, “I wish there wasn’t such division and disagreement on this topic” [4

Mike says, “I wish there wasn’t such division and disagreement on this topic” [4:18:43] However, Mike is perpetuating the division by accusing egalitarians of causing great harm to the church and cal

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make the required change, and respond to what God has revealed through his extensive video series. [4:16:00] /102

Yet time after time in this video, Mike has shown example after example of women

Yet time after time in this video, Mike has shown example after example of women who did things that appear to be authoritative to which the scripture does not even comment in any negative way about.

Mike himself admits he leans more towards freedom in practice which is more egal

Mike himself admits he leans more towards freedom in practice which is more egalitarian, yet he believes egals are doing great harm. He doesn't like how egals view comp control. He feels that the wor

If there is even one instance where a woman can speak with authority, then Mike'

If there is even one instance where a woman can speak with authority, then Mike's argument absolutely breaks down. /93

Can a woman not speak with authority that if you repent and believe the gospel,

Can a woman not speak with authority that if you repent and believe the gospel, you will be saved? Does she have to continually defer to a pastor for such things? We have to think about what that spea

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an elder does in teaching authority” [4:06:43] /90

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practi

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practice was never to restrict a godly woman. Instead, Paul restricted false teaching, never true teaching. /84

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their reade

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their readers to try to convince them, not to take authority over them, because they may not even know them or their circumstances.

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on th

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on the speaker "and them speaking authoritatively," saying that this should not be done by women. Seems to overlap into elder

Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should

Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should reserve the title only for positions you believe woman cannot have. /54

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "e

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "elders" and "deacons" so there is a 1-to-1 mapping with scripture. Mike suggests that everyone serving in some capacity c

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God orda

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God ordained role for her whole life with no criticism. Seems Mike goes on his feelings here, because “president” is not on the

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wa

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wasn’t making a hard and fast rule, just that the Bible tells women to take care of the home (says Mike). Interesting tha

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no woman was ever corrected for teaching and correcting. Surely with all of Paul’s female helpers there were some others wh

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never criticized or said to be in sin for her position. This is really noteworthy! So if we take Mike’s comments about Debo

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:0

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:00] So Mike doesn't see it as unquestioning authority which is good. However, women will think 2x or 3x before they do t

However, vessel applies to our human body, not to things like authority. Is he m

However, vessel applies to our human body, not to things like authority. Is he making this up as he goes along? /30

Mike's complaint is against those who believe that women share equal authority w

Mike's complaint is against those who believe that women share equal authority with men because being a man means to him that you are supposed to have higher authority than women, and unless you occup

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women are called “despots” who also manage the home. Mike uses this to show that he believes women also have some authority.

1Ti 5:14 debate

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from t

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from the pulpit or pastor as long as they are under a male head, but I don’t believe he thinks that as to Mike, it is about be

Mike says that wives have authority over the children. He critiques those who tr

Mike says that wives have authority over the children. He critiques those who treat wives as having no authority and those who claim that complementarians believe that wives have no authority. (They a

However, laying down one's life is actually laying down your own needs and desir

However, laying down one's life is actually laying down your own needs and desires in order to come under and lift up another to satisfy their needs and/or desires. Perhaps he was just saying that re

Mike says that he has never seen an egalitarian critique a "real" complementaria

Mike says that he has never seen an egalitarian critique a "real" complementarian marriage, and by this he means where the husband lays down his life for the wife. Mike says he means taking a bullet f

Mike shows a spectrum at [13:50] with Egalitarian on the far left instead of the middle. This suggests that Mike's view is the middle view and Egalitarian is extreme left. However, Egalitarian is the mid point between extreme feminist and hyper head...

Mike shows a spectrum at [13:50] with Egalitarian on the far left instead of the middle. This suggests that Mike's view is the middle view and Egalitarian is extreme left. However, Egalitarian is the

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detai

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detail in the context including the grammar, the purpose of the letter, the details Paul gives in the first chapter all fit l

commentary

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 So your reading is tha

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 So your reading is that the husband is like God and the wife is like humanity. You command (lovingly) and she obeys unquestioningly. You never

1Ti 3:15 Mat 28:18-20 debate

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Absolutely. Timothy wasn't in a church by himself. Paul was instructing Timothy on "how he should behave" (1Ti 3:15) but this would have impacts to and application to others. Eve...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Absolutely. Timothy wasn't in a church by himself. Paul was instructing Timothy on "how he should behave" (1Ti 3:15) but this wo

@ReformedCaio @CherylSchatz @KaeleyT @MikeWingerii The issue in 1Ti 2:11-15 is n

@ReformedCaio @CherylSchatz @KaeleyT @MikeWingerii The issue in 1Ti 2:11-15 is not a cultural or societal issue. It has to do with a specific woman teaching false doctrine in Ephesus. I give a high le

1Ti 2:11-15 debate

@SelectedDivine Well, right, I don't believe God predestines people to get the f

@SelectedDivine Well, right, I don't believe God predestines people to get the faith to believe, that's a Calvinist teaching. How did you get "chosen remnant" from the passage?

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 How do you know that Paul believed women were the property of their husbands? If he wrote that we should all subject ourselves to each other in Eph 5:21, then it cannot just be one way from wi...

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 How do you know that Paul believed women were the property of their husbands? If he wrote that we should all subject ourselves to each other i

Eph 5:21 question

@Robert_Rothwell @ronhenzel @lordgrindleford Where do you see the giving happening before or irrespective of people's positive response to seek God because of the witness in creation and revelation in scripture? The witness of revelation in creation...

@Robert_Rothwell @ronhenzel @lordgrindleford Where do you see the giving happening before or irrespective of people's positive response to seek God because of the witness in creation and revelation in

@ymmotrojam If you are going to hold to Calvinism, then you have to support the view that its about individuals even if the text is clear that it does not. You have to believe this is not two nations in the womb, but two brothers that God ordained to...

@ymmotrojam If you are going to hold to Calvinism, then you have to support the view that its about individuals even if the text is clear that it does not. You have to believe this is not two nations

@Pilgrim_2023 Thanks for asking. Jacob and Esau represent two nations. God prefe

@Pilgrim_2023 Thanks for asking. Jacob and Esau represent two nations. God preferred Israel over the Gentiles yet they are reconciled into one new man in the church in the the end and are not kept sep

@FutureHOF3 Those that do not belong to Him are those who do not respond to the truth that He has revealed to them. Jacob and Esau represent two peoples (as God told Rebecca) and one day they will be reconciled. This idea culminates in the church whi...

@FutureHOF3 Those that do not belong to Him are those who do not respond to the truth that He has revealed to them. Jacob and Esau represent two peoples (as God told Rebecca) and one day they will be

Will be interesting where Mike draws the lines for his version of complementaria

Will be interesting where Mike draws the lines for his version of complementarianism. Will he allow female deacons even though the statement “one wife husband” is stated for both elders and deacons?

@mmckoyis I don't know what exactly @SowUnique1of1 is saying, but 1Ti 2:12 is no

@mmckoyis I don't know what exactly @SowUnique1of1 is saying, but 1Ti 2:12 is not about preventing godly women from teaching truth to anyone⎯the letter to Timothy was about stopping "certain people" f

1Ti 2:12 debate

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his own father, mother, wife, children,

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.” (Lk 14:26, NASB) What do you suppose Jesus m

Lk 14:26 commentary

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Joan's understanding is correct. Eve was created as an equal counterpart who was Adam's own flesh. Obedience is not the best translation as we usually think of unwilling obedience when what is intended is willing submission...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Joan's understanding is correct. Eve was created as an equal counterpart who was Adam's own flesh. Obedience is not the best translation as we usually think of unwilling obe

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy In Romans 16, Paul mentions several women whom he praises for their work and contributions to the early Christian community, highlighting their roles and leadership. Here are the women mentioned: 1. Phoebe (Ro 16:1-2) - De...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy In Romans 16, Paul mentions several women whom he praises for their work and contributions to the early Christian community, highlighting their roles and leadership. Here ar

Ro 16:1-2 debate

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Sorry you feel the need to mute the conversation. Wh

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Sorry you feel the need to mute the conversation. When only one side must be submissive, this is subjugation. I believe in mutual submission (Eph 5:21).

Eph 5:21 general

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Ok. So I guess once I have time time to reply to ever

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Ok. So I guess once I have time time to reply to everything you’ve stated, others can benefit from that. Disagreeing with you does not mean I am not rightly dividing script

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Everyone isn't cookie cut the way you seem to suggest as I know many women who are grade A leaders and teachers. Men tend to struggle more with the emotion called "anger"⎯did you forget that? Anger and fear can cloud one's ...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Everyone isn't cookie cut the way you seem to suggest as I know many women who are grade A leaders and teachers. Men tend to struggle more with the emotion called "anger"⎯di

RT @ryanschatz: 1/🧵In light of some who believe that female pastors (and those w

RT @ryanschatz: 1/🧵In light of some who believe that female pastors (and those who support them) are in high-handed rebellion against God,…

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Not true. Barak was a capable man listed in Hebrews 11 as someone who achieved great things through faith. My church is not in any of the situations listed for any of the judges in the book of judges: Othniel, Ehud, Shamga...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy Not true. Barak was a capable man listed in Hebrews 11 as someone who achieved great things through faith. My church is not in any of the situations listed for any of the j

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy That's correct. So you are presuming that if we don't see 50% females sitting in the gate then men are obviously in authority over women? I'm not saying she had to be in the gate. Maybe men like to sit around and watch peo...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy That's correct. So you are presuming that if we don't see 50% females sitting in the gate then men are obviously in authority over women? I'm not saying she had to be in th

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy "It's her husband who's in leadership" Actually, the whole passage is about how she is a competent leader in everything she touches with a verse noting that her husband is also a leader. Where did you read that she has to...

@BogdanOancea77 @JoanBandy "It's her husband who's in leadership" Actually, the whole passage is about how she is a competent leader in everything she touches with a verse noting that her husband is

@GossEsports @Eric_Conn That's not what I said. What value do you believe Dabney added here? That he confirmed your bias that women should only remain at home and politics and working away from home is not her domain? My kids are now in post-seconda...

@GossEsports @Eric_Conn That's not what I said. What value do you believe Dabney added here? That he confirmed your bias that women should only remain at home and politics and working away from home i

@Jesusmyoverseer @igarglewithfire FYI, that idea about being the head of a churc

@Jesusmyoverseer @igarglewithfire FYI, that idea about being the head of a church is nonsense too. Where is anyone ever called "head pastor" except Jesus himself? https://t.co/oSWRvhoJF7