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@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi So what you are essentially admitting though is that it could be either way? How then would Paul differentiate from "a woman" and "Eve" in the context of this passage? We have other reasons to believe that Eve cannot be "t...

@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi So what you are essentially admitting though is that it could be either way? How then would Paul differentiate from "a woman" and "Eve" in the context of this passage? We h

@GodandQountry What part of verse 21 says that males are excluded from this inst

@GodandQountry What part of verse 21 says that males are excluded from this instruction from Paul? How is this instruction not mutual? And you should be paying attention as he says we are to do it "

@Jimmer4Pres @WWUTTcom Did you view the video by Dr. James White? He says the anarthrous precedes the articular. Paul says "a woman/wife," then highlights her prototype, Eve, then clarifies "the woman...she will be saved through the childbearing if...

@Jimmer4Pres @WWUTTcom Did you view the video by Dr. James White? He says the anarthrous precedes the articular. Paul says "a woman/wife," then highlights her prototype, Eve, then clarifies "the wom

@WeakGameForever @NeilShenvi @MikeWingerii But Paul says "a woman" not "all women." And then this would also mean you are saying "All women will be saved through childbearing if all women continue in faith..." Which makes one wonder how men are sav...

@WeakGameForever @NeilShenvi @MikeWingerii But Paul says "a woman" not "all women." And then this would also mean you are saying "All women will be saved through childbearing if all women continue in

@ronhenzel The only meaning I'm twisting is the one you seemed to shoehorn into the text. Eve will be saved...if they continue in faith...? Who is the they? I think we have to take how Paul was using his words and not try to twist them to mean som...

@ronhenzel The only meaning I'm twisting is the one you seemed to shoehorn into the text. Eve will be saved...if they continue in faith...? Who is the they? I think we have to take how Paul was usi

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-01

@WWUTTcom Did you not look at my chart carefully? Paul uses particular grammar and if he wanted to say all women or plural women, he certainly knew how to do that. We also forget that the same word for woman is the same as wife and man the same as ...

@WWUTTcom Did you not look at my chart carefully? Paul uses particular grammar and if he wanted to say all women or plural women, he certainly knew how to do that. We also forget that the same word

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-01

@MargMowczko Thanks Marg. If Paul had a specific woman in mind who he linked with the prototypical Eve, how would he refer to her? Would there be a different way to do it? Also, do you think "the woman" in vs14 is the one in v15, "She will be save...

@MargMowczko Thanks Marg. If Paul had a specific woman in mind who he linked with the prototypical Eve, how would he refer to her? Would there be a different way to do it? Also, do you think "the w

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-01

@ronhenzel However, this is the case of a noun being repeated twice, not a prono

@ronhenzel However, this is the case of a noun being repeated twice, not a pronoun; one anarthrous and one arthrous. And we have two women in this case: Eve and an unknown unnamed woman. How would P

1 Cor 11:5 1 Cor 14:34-35 question

@ymmotrojam Need I remind you that 1 Cor 14:34-35 comes after 1 Cor 11:5? If your interpretation is correct, Paul would have to say in chapter 11 that the women were doing something that they weren’t supposed to because it assumes they were doing ...

@ymmotrojam Need I remind you that 1 Cor 14:34-35 comes *after* 1 Cor 11:5? If your interpretation is correct, Paul would have to say in chapter 11 that the women were doing something that they weren

@ymmotrojam Paul’s not granting permission…he’s assuming they are and speaking a

@ymmotrojam Paul’s not granting permission…he’s assuming they are and speaking about head coverings while they are doing it. You are presuming that they could not pray without permission, but that is

@ronhenzel @ortrails @goteamcarr This commentator has no idea who the "she" and "they" are, misses Paul's reference to the 'seed of the woman, Eve' (ie. the childbearing⎯definite singular noun), and is hypothesizing about home roles. Paul is writing...

@ronhenzel @ortrails @goteamcarr This commentator has no idea who the "she" and "they" are, misses Paul's reference to the 'seed of the woman, Eve' (ie. the childbearing⎯definite singular noun), and i

Here’s how 1 Tim 2:10-15 works syntactically and contextually⎯ Paul is not referring to a typical woman or women in general, but instructing Timothy on how to deal with a specific unnamed deceived woman who⎯like her prototype "Eve"⎯is handing the "a...

Here’s how 1 Tim 2:10-15 works syntactically and contextually⎯ Paul is not referring to a typical woman or women in general, but instructing Timothy on how to deal with a specific unnamed deceived wo

1 Tim 2:10-15 commentary

@ymmotrojam I am working on an exposition of 1 Cor 11:1-16. Paul is not commanding anything in verse 5. In verse 7, the words cut (κειράσθω) and cover (κατακαλυπτέσθω) are imperatives of toleration, ie. "let her cut" or "let her cover." The follow...

@ymmotrojam I am working on an exposition of 1 Cor 11:1-16. Paul is not commanding anything in verse 5. In verse 7, the words cut (κειράσθω) and cover (κατακαλυπτέσθω) are imperatives of toleration,

1 Cor 11:1-16 general

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom! What are you doing? Paul says we are to emulate Christ who subjected Himself to being made in flesh like us to serve us even to death on a cross. The admonition is to go and d...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom! What are you doing? Paul says we are to emulate Christ who subjected Himself to being made in flesh like us to serve us even t

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning It's as simpl

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning It's as simple as it needs to be to explain Paul's intent.

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am working on a chart and I’ll share that with you once I’m done. It might help to visualize the text to see how this explanation fits Paul’s argument perfectly. Also, if you don’...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am working on a chart and I’ll share that with you once I’m done. It might help to visualize the text to see how this explanation

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Except for si

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Except for single women who Paul said shouldn’t seek to get married (1 Cor 7). Are they left lost and in danger of deception because

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Adam and Eve were married. Can Paul not use them as prototypes to refer to an unnamed couple which just happens to be repeating a similar deception type of fall? Would Adam have eat...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Adam and Eve were married. Can Paul not use them as prototypes to refer to an unnamed couple which just happens to be repeating a si

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Was Paul hims

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Was Paul himself not qualified to be an overseer? 🤔

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul needs to

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul needs to be a faithful husband? To whom?

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning What informat

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning What information is absent? Paul doesn’t want to name a deceived woman in his letter. How might he refer to her so that Timothy wou

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I’ll answer t

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I’ll answer that after you show me how Paul himself was a husband.

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So Paul is describing sal

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So Paul is describing salvation for women only? Since when is there a means of salvation for women different from men?

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii This really isn’t that different from using a word from King James or old English. Mike did admit that the term had negative connotations previously, but said it wasn’t plausible because “Paul is n...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii This really isn’t that different from using a word from King James or old English. Mike did admit that the term had negative connotations previousl

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom. I'm not making this up. I'm just describing the grammar. A particular deceived woman is simply noting that Paul moves from plural "all women" to "a woman/wife" and in v14 says...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom. I'm not making this up. I'm just describing the grammar. A particular deceived woman is simply noting that Paul moves from pl

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use the plural to refer to individuals? Most single/bar...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use th

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry How do you know that “She (singular, feminine)” represents believers? If she will be saved like we all will be saved one day, why not make a general statement about all believers? I’m pretty su...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry How do you know that “She (singular, feminine)” represents believers? If she will be saved like we all will be saved one day, why not make a gen

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry Because of the grammar…. If she is Eve, then “Eve will be saved (future) if they [do something].” Eve’s salvation cannot be conditioned on something other people do at the time Paul was writing ...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry Because of the grammar…. If she is Eve, then “Eve will be saved (future) if they [do something].” Eve’s salvation cannot be conditioned on somet

@Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam @kelcy_lowry Want to take a stab? After all, this is really clear stuff. Verse 15 summarizes the section starting at verse 11 and refers to salvation. It’s pretty important to understand Paul’s conclusion ...

@Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam @kelcy_lowry Want to take a stab? After all, this is really clear stuff. Verse 15 summarizes the section starting at verse 11 and refers to salvation. It’s

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastors, but they weren’t the mainstream. Luther disagr...

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastor

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 All I’m doing is emulatin

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 All I’m doing is emulating Jesus. So what I’m proposing is simply what I see Jesus (and Paul) calling me to. I choose to cast my lots with Jesu

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Earlier in the same verse, Paul says "But if they do not have self control..." Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. These carnal Christians who are still being controlled by the flesh would be better to be married than ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Earlier in the same verse, Paul says "But if they do not have self control..." Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. These carnal Christians who are still being controlle

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the word of God originate with you? Or has it come to y...

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the wo

@ymmotrojam What do you see are Paul’s commands in 1 Cor 14:1-33,36-39?

1 Cor 14:1-33 question

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believ

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believe they should be able to speak as God leads should be ignored because they are females and they are usurping the primacy

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul was addressing in his corrective. The wives were ob...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul wa

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific deceived woman who has left orthodoxy and who is u...

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and restrict women from something and make it a sin if...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situation in which they were all speaking in tongues a...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situ

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all believe). - I already explained the meaning of 1 ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all

1 Tim 2:11 commentary

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that P

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that Paul was saying in this chapter, it is so clear and contrastive that it's shocking. Do you not recognize Paul quoting an

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching true doctrine to women to groups including men is...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of authority, he had several common words he could hav...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of a

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii The reason I don't prefer "domineer" or "master" is because of how Paul uses the example of Adam and Eve and I don't think this was what was going on in the garden of Eden. I think he's tying the f...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii The reason I don't prefer "domineer" or "master" is because of how Paul uses the example of Adam and Eve and I don't think this was what was going o

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is impossible for a woman to be "the husband of one w...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural)

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural) I write”—start at the beginning of 1 Cor 14 and identify the commands Paul writes in the whole chapter.

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore m

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore me and the women speaking.

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibility. Why? Paul is warning those that forbid peop...

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibil

1 Cor 7:1 debate

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of the Bible. Linda Belleville did an exhaustive se...

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of