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@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Your framework relies on pretext, not exegesis. P

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Your framework relies on pretext, not exegesis. Paul’s call to mutual submission challenges worldly hierarchies, not endorses them! +

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Many highlight the fact that wives are to submit and respect, and that husbands are to love. But in no way can a reasonable person assert that husbands are not also to respect their wives or that wives are not also to l...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Many highlight the fact that wives are to submit and respect, and that husbands are to love. But in no way can a reasonable person assert that husbands are not also to r

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Eph 5:21 does not limit submission to specific “lesser-greater” relationships; this is your imposed framework. The participle “ὑποτασσόμενοι” is reciprocal. Paul applies mutual submission to marital dynamics, elevatin...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Eph 5:21 does not limit submission to specific “lesser-greater” relationships; this is your imposed framework. The participle “ὑποτασσόμενοι” is reciprocal. Paul appli

Eph 5:21 general

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Where is unilateral authority here? You argue as

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Where is unilateral authority here? You argue as if authority inherently excludes mutual submission, but Paul’s words reject authoritarian patterns by focusing on servic

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Loving "as Christ loved the church" flips typical patriarchal authority on its head⎯Christ led by serving and dying for the church (Mk 10:42-45). You also point to the "totality of Scripture," yet mutual submission cle...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Loving "as Christ loved the church" flips typical patriarchal authority on its head⎯Christ led by serving and dying for the church (Mk 10:42-45). You also point to the

Mk 10:42-45 debate

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Your claim that submission here flows from "lesser to greater" authority (wives to husbands, children to parents, slaves to masters) is inconsistent with Paul's pattern. The instruction to husbands to love their wives (...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Your claim that submission here flows from "lesser to greater" authority (wives to husbands, children to parents, slaves to masters) is inconsistent with Paul's pattern.

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace The bridge doesn't contain hierarchy or authority

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace The bridge doesn't contain hierarchy or authority structures, and given v22 borrows the verb "submit" from v21, whatever follows must be consistent with mutuality. +

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Yes, Eph 5:21 does form a bridge concluding the list of 5 participles outlining what v18 means by being filled with the Spirit and introducing what this means in the husband/wife relationship which pictures Christ and t...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Yes, Eph 5:21 does form a bridge concluding the list of 5 participles outlining what v18 means by being filled with the Spirit and introducing what this means in the hus

Eph 5:21 debate

@uav_guy_79 @CherylSchatz @harmonizedgrace Can you please give me several exampl

@uav_guy_79 @CherylSchatz @harmonizedgrace Can you please give me several examples of how you have ruled or taken authority over your wife in the last month?

@Christi34606551 @ellechle9 @harmonizedgrace The bible is clear about headship,

@Christi34606551 @ellechle9 @harmonizedgrace The bible is clear about headship, but head is not a synonym for ruler or authority over.

@TruthCop1717 @harmonizedgrace Stop skipping verse 21! If submission is *recipro

@TruthCop1717 @harmonizedgrace Stop skipping verse 21! If submission is *reciprocal* how does that have anything to do with authority? https://t.co/zmIIpxlgNR

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace So you get to make demands and I’m supposed to write you a 5000 word essay?? This is X. Since you don’t seem able to answer my question about 1Ti 2:12, let’s move on to Eph 5:21 where subjection is reciprocal—that me...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace So you get to make demands and I’m supposed to write you a 5000 word essay?? This is X. Since you don’t seem able to answer my question about 1Ti 2:12, let’s move on to

Eph 5:21 1Ti 2:12 debate

@carol66944 @pushforgorilla @subq @harmonizedgrace Israel isn’t mentioned there.

@carol66944 @pushforgorilla @subq @harmonizedgrace Israel isn’t mentioned there. All God said in Ge 3:15 is the seed of the woman. The solution to the problem should come from the man if this is about

Ge 3:15 debate

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Egalitarians argue against male headship b/c ‘headship’ = ruler/authority today, but Paul doesn’t use it that way for church or M/F rels. I cited 1Co 7:4 as the only positive mention of authority in M/F rels, besides 1...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Egalitarians argue against male headship b/c ‘headship’ = ruler/authority today, but Paul doesn’t use it that way for church or M/F rels. I cited 1Co 7:4 as the only po

1Co 7:4 1Ti 2:12 debate

@pushforgorilla @subq @harmonizedgrace Adam’s mistake wasn’t simping, it was rebellion. Since you are referring to Adam simping, don’t you mean Ge 3:17, that Adam listened to the voice of his wife? Why did God say that he listened to her voice when ...

@pushforgorilla @subq @harmonizedgrace Adam’s mistake wasn’t simping, it was rebellion. Since you are referring to Adam simping, don’t you mean Ge 3:17, that Adam listened to the voice of his wife? W

Ge 3:17 question

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Who said male headship stems from the fall? Head doesn’t automatically mean ruler or the one in authority in scripture. If that’s what was meant, what’s wrong with using the word authority? The only time authority is us...

@IemSparticus @harmonizedgrace Who said male headship stems from the fall? Head doesn’t automatically mean ruler or the one in authority in scripture. If that’s what was meant, what’s wrong with using

1Co 7:4 debate

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace Ok, so I’m still curious what commands you give you

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace Ok, so I’m still curious what commands you give your wife that equate to how you see Jesus ruling the church. Do you command her to wear red dresses? How much to eat or w

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace How does the husband rule his wife? Can you be more

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace How does the husband rule his wife? Can you be more precise?

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace If that is the case, that the husband serves his wi

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace If that is the case, that the husband serves his wife as a demonstration of how he lays his life down for her, then how is this exercising authority over her?

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace Can a slave be exercising authority over the one they are serving? Isn't it obvious that if Jesus "empties Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant" and we (both men and women) are to emulate His posture, that we ough...

@uav_guy_79 @harmonizedgrace Can a slave be exercising authority over the one they are serving? Isn't it obvious that if Jesus "empties Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant" and we (both men a

@BigRedBetz @CharisHoll84971 @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace The Bible teaches us to believe and act on future promises which have yet to be fulfilled based on the past fulfilled promises and God’s proven character. Faith is an internal thing (and t...

@BigRedBetz @CharisHoll84971 @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace The Bible teaches us to believe and act on future promises which have yet to be fulfilled based on the past fulfilled promises and God’s pr

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace People take Paul out of context and

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace People take Paul out of context and twist his intended meaning all the time—even those who lived at the same time as he did. https://t.co/fiRPAEqy6y

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@carol66944 @subq @harmonizedgrace …and kephale (head) doesn’t mean authority in

@carol66944 @subq @harmonizedgrace …and kephale (head) doesn’t mean authority in most Biblical contexts.

@subq @harmonizedgrace Absolutely. And the husband’s submission is even greater

@subq @harmonizedgrace Absolutely. And the husband’s submission is even greater as he is to lay down his life daily. The greatest is to be the slave of all!

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace What does pre-trib have to do with t

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace What does pre-trib have to do with the OP? Paul loved to murder?

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace It literally means “stay silent.” An

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace It literally means “stay silent.” And Paul was quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote to him and refuting what they wrote here.

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@subq @harmonizedgrace Is laying down your life not submitting on a daily basis?

@subq @harmonizedgrace Is laying down your life not submitting on a daily basis? Are you not to emulate Christ? Does the following verse apply only to women? https://t.co/S104m2Ukbh

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace And Paul is not saying in 1Co 14:34-

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace And Paul is not saying in 1Co 14:34-35 that women must be silent in church. https://t.co/WHlrSQvbxX

1Co 14:34-35 general

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace Forcing someone against their will i

@BigRedBetz @Peacemaker811 @harmonizedgrace Forcing someone against their will is what the Bible teaches? https://t.co/RxjAyHny5U

@subq @harmonizedgrace God’s Word teaches mutual submission. I’m all about follo

@subq @harmonizedgrace God’s Word teaches mutual submission. I’m all about following God’s Word 💯 %

And the husband gets off Scott free for not also submitting to his wife? Nothin

And the husband gets off Scott free for not also submitting to his wife? Nothing that a little mutual submission wouldn’t fix @harmonizedgrace https://t.co/63m7ZUI8Ls

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-18

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MikeWingerii Hannah just blocked me

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MikeWingerii Hannah just blocked me b/c of Bashed. Mike didn’t answer my questions nor did he interact with me. If you want to see my response to what he

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-18

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MikeWingerii It is an issue I’m pas

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MikeWingerii It is an issue I’m passionate about. And I look for opportunities to discuss it with others. Is that what a troll is to you?

@harmonizedgrace @MichelleDLesley @mtnhousewife Of coures you can define your ow

@harmonizedgrace @MichelleDLesley @mtnhousewife Of coures you can define your own boundaries. Just that since this is a public forum, I might ask a question or two. And, yes, you have the right to i

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley Is that it @BibleBa

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley Is that it @BibleBashed ? Not going to bash me with the Bible?

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley Well, hello Bible B

@BibleBashed @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley Well, hello Bible Bashed! I’m trying to invite conversation. I’m not trying to provoke her to do something she is uncomfortable with.

RT @ryanschatz: @MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife By harassing, do

RT @ryanschatz: @MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife By harassing, do you mean interacting? Honest question. I’ve got a “That…

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @BibleBashed Ok. If you don’t feel like engaging, then leave my question hanging and don’t answer. It’s ok. I am aware of @BibleBashed - there are a lot of accounts that promote patriarchy and complementarianism. @Mik...

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @BibleBashed Ok. If you don’t feel like engaging, then leave my question hanging and don’t answer. It’s ok. I am aware of @BibleBashed - there are a lot of accounts th

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife By harassing, do you mean interacting? Honest question. I’ve got a “That’s 1” and “That’s 2” awfully quick. To be honest, I feel discriminated against for some reason. Like if I was a female, I woul...

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife By harassing, do you mean interacting? Honest question. I’ve got a “That’s 1” and “That’s 2” awfully quick. To be honest, I feel discriminated again

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m about to read what you poste

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m about to read what you posted. If you block me, how can I read what you posted? Feel free to mute me if you must, but I really feel attacked right n

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife You are going to block me for as

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife You are going to block me for asking questions? 😳

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife Thanks for offering to share wha

@MichelleDLesley @harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife Thanks for offering to share what you have written/podcasted on the subject! I appreciate it. “…you need to stop harassing…” Where is this coming from

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m not asking you to argue with me. Is reflectin

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m not asking you to argue with me. Is reflecting back what you believe “teaching a man”? If so, why am I being restricted from hearing what you believe and why? What

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @Eric_Conn I’ve interacted with @Eric_Conn a numb

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @Eric_Conn I’ve interacted with @Eric_Conn a number of times in the past and listened to some of his podcasts (though not regularly). He doesn’t always interact back. L

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley It sounds like you are referring

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife @MichelleDLesley It sounds like you are referring to 1Ti 2:12. Am I right? Are women allowed to teach male children? If so, at what point is she specifically supposed t

1Ti 2:12 question

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace Answering questions is fine by me. Anytime you fe

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace Answering questions is fine by me. Anytime you feel you are arguing, let me reframe things so you can avoid arguing.

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife Also, I speak to men all the time…constantly. Now

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife Also, I speak to men all the time…constantly. Now I see a community of women who advocate for this view I’m interacting with and I’m interested also in your views on it

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m not trying to turn wives against their husbands! I think you are confusing me with some kind of feminist you have seen around here. Again, I am a ‘mutualist’—meaning both mutually laying down their rights to serve o...

@harmonizedgrace @mtnhousewife I’m not trying to turn wives against their husbands! I think you are confusing me with some kind of feminist you have seen around here. Again, I am a ‘mutualist’—meaning

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace In what way can we cooperate with the Spirit of G

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace In what way can we cooperate with the Spirit of God and learn today in community? If the Holy Spirit worked in small groups in home gatherings, can we do that today? C

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace IF a man comes into her Bible study group must she stop teaching or should he leave? Does Satan want the church to stop the women from sharing what the Holy Spirit is showing them? Why is there a restriction of men le...

@mtnhousewife @harmonizedgrace IF a man comes into her Bible study group must she stop teaching or should he leave? Does Satan want the church to stop the women from sharing what the Holy Spirit is s