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Mike Winger idea 2021-02-08

Daniel's prophecies about the abomination of desolation (Daniel 8:13, 9:26-27, 11:31, 12:11) describe a specific bad actor who makes a seven-year covenant with Israel, stops temple sacrifices at the midpoint, and sets up the abomination, leading to a three-and-a-half-year tribulation period before he is destroyed.

Survey of all relevant Daniel passages; key data for futurist interpretation

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Mike Winger idea 2021-02-08

Antiochus Epiphanes in 167 BC is the only historical event outside the Bible that uses the exact phrase "abomination of desolation" (1 Maccabees 1:54). He banned Jewish worship, erected an altar to Zeus in the temple, and sacrificed a pig on it — giving Jesus's audience a concrete reference point while Jesus still pointed to a future fulfillment.

Historical background: Antiochus Epiphanes and the Maccabean revolt

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Mike Winger idea 2021-02-08

2 Thessalonians 2 describes the same figure Jesus warned about: a "man of lawlessness" who sits in the temple declaring himself God, whose coming is connected to satanic signs, and who will be slain at Christ's return. This harmonizes with Daniel and Mark, and the self-worship element connects to Revelation's description of the Beast demanding worship.

Paul's teaching in 2 Thessalonians 2 as parallel to the abomination of desolation

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Mike Winger idea 2021-02-08

The preterist view that identifies the abomination of desolation with Roman soldiers carrying standards into the temple court in 70 AD has several problems: the event occurred when the temple was already on fire and the war was essentially over, making it impossible to flee; it was not in the temple's holy place; and it doesn't fit the three-and-a-half-year tribulation framework of Daniel.

Evaluation and critique of the preterist 70 AD interpretation

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Mike Winger idea 2021-02-08

The futurist interpretation requires a rebuilt temple in Israel, a seven-year covenant halted at midpoint, and a specific person who demands worship — all still future events. Winger holds this view while acknowledging it is an in-house Christian discussion and not a salvation issue.

Winger's own futurist position and how it integrates the Daniel/Paul/Revelation data

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Mike Winger idea 2021-05-17

The false witnesses couldn't even agree on what Jesus said about destroying the temple — showing the trial was seeking a pretext, not justice. Jesus actually said "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it," referring to his body (John 2:19). Mark doesn't explain the pretext; John does, creating an undesigned coincidence that supports historicity.

The false testimony about the temple; undesigned coincidence between Mark and John

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Mike Winger idea 2023-06-16

Brian Simmons, translator of the Passion Translation, has made contradictory claims: calling his translation "God-breathed" in charismatic settings while denying it is inspired in the same way as the apostolic writings. His study notes contain claims like "the Temple took 46 years to build and humans have 46 chromosomes, therefore we are the temple God is building" — presented as divine revelation rather than scholarly research.

Brian Simmons's self-contradictory inspiration claims and problematic study note methodology

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Mike Winger idea 2025-10-01

The "undesigned coincidence" between Mark and John on the temple statement: Mark records the false witnesses misquoting Jesus about destroying and rebuilding the temple, but never explains the original statement. John 2:19-21 records the original statement and clarifies it referred to his body. Neither account is copied from the other; they lock together in a way that supports the historicity of both.

Undesigned coincidence: Mark and John on the temple statement lock together to support historicity

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Pulpit research note

Faulty Summary of Human History — Kings, Priests, Prophets, Authors

At 11:56, he tries to summarize human history by saying that there were all male kings with one exception, all male priests, all male ongoing prophetic offices, all male authors of scripture and so fo
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