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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are never meant to share a hymn or a lesson in front of the whole group, just small groups… Must never let a woman encourage th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking in church and they either know how to suppress th...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and men can all ask questions? Even in school, does asking questions in class show lack of submission? Maybe in a dictator

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you sa

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking in church and they either know how to suppress th...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands know less than them? “For you can all prophesy on...

@KylePierce96 @Whitehorse1255 @MikeWingerii Yes, absolutely. Calvinists are my b

RT @Emotionscoach: My ( egalitarian) response to MikeWinger’s statement that ega

@ronhenzel @ScottCross_8 @ewarner88 @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Thanks. I only had to spend $11 this time to read the context. Collins himself admits that the wayyiqtol **normally** implies: "Genesis 2:19 seems to...

@pastherandie @JohnGal63607182 @ryancduff @Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii It’s because he believes it harms the complementarian view that gender roles are to represent Christ and the church. He thinks there is a one way submission in that relationship...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann Appreciate your tone, Tom. You are always gracious and are an example. The passage says that women need to be silent and ask their husbands at home. What about single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands or husbands tha...

@Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii Nothing to do with hurt feelings—Mike has lobbed a grenade at the church and walked away by telling those who disagree with him on secondary matters that they have to repent and recommending others who agree with him to...

@MikedAlamo @MikeWingerii I already noted in a personal appeal to Mike that he can remain a complementarian. What he cannot do, however, is call fellow believers to repent over secondary matters, pressing his conscience on others who disagree with h...

@freemarketeer1 @DustyMayT @MikeWingerii What is a gross mischaracterization? Women are to be subordinate in the church in that if they feel called to teach (the authoritative scripture) or serve as a pastor, they have to remain subordinate to men (i...

@DustyMayT @MikeWingerii Mike replied to someone else’s question about how he se

@BlueGiant42 @MikeWingerii Mike is considered by a pastor by many of his audience of nearly 700k on YouTube. He is the most popular level advocate today for complementarian teaching. That in itself is fine—he is allowed to hold his own views on thing...

@MikeWingerii Mike, you called Egalitarians “who tell people about the teaching” to repent. One repents of sins. You can’t do that, Mike—you said yourself this is secondary. You certainly can hold to your complementarian views—even though I disagree...

@pastherandie @JollyStine @ronhenzel @ewarner88 @ScottCross_8 @peace_got @ymmotr

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Se

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to n

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is t

@KJesusChristian You are 100% right. We are not to dominate one another but to s

@Dylan04169480 @MikeWingerii Given you invested that much time on this single topic, I have just one question: if the entire series was mostly targeting how the egalitarian interpretation is wrong, don't you think it might be worth some time to hear ...

@KJesusChristian But they are completely misunderstanding the words of Paul and

@ymmotrojam Tom, you are the one that said if I was not interpreting the law the same way then I wasn’t being consistent. I merely noted that Paul as the author is the one who determines how he is using the term. And in 1Co 7:1 he tells us he is resp...

@ymmotrojam Where is there a general principle in the law that women must submit

@biblemarriages @kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla If that was the case, polygamy would be encouraged in the New Testament. Rather, it is clearly not encouraged. Monogomy is a requirement for leaders. And for all, in the context of asceticism and the probl...

@ymmotrojam Please show me this hermeneutical law that forbids Paul from quoting from the law (and providing the reference) and then quoting from the Judiazers in the letter from the Corinthians who reference the law without any clear reference? Thes...

@SupermomShayla Hm. But there is not a precisely equal proportion of women and men, and there are some who prefer to remain single. I don't think that having more than one wife is taking the wife of another man. That almost sounds like adultery, but ...

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla God tolerated polygamy in the Old Testament. The clear ideal is monogamy. Polygamy creates problems and marriage to one spouse is hard enough without competition and feeling like your husband has split affections and perha...

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla @biblemarriages While polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament, it was not expressly commanded. There is a difference. God did put limits on kings (which they didn’t follow and He still tolerated): “And he shall not ac...

@SupermomShayla My initial reaction to what you said was because the women are not intimate with each other. However, it does seem that each wife is one flesh with the husband. "Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one bo...

@KrizoSusanna Thankfully we have the Hebrew text, so even though the Latin and E

@ryanh71879 Not sure I understand where you were going with that last statement

@trishgstreet Thanks for your comments. Yes, mutual submission one to another is

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours church is on. Then I find the same women out corre...

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up prohibitions. Prohibiting things that God doesn't p...

@Joshbambino It's not about roles. Yes, both submit to Christ, and both subject themselves to each other in the fear of Christ (Eph 5:21). Egalitarians are simply reacting to the one-sided submission where complementarians and patriachalists infer do...

@TSubasLawVX @squishy203 Genesis is written in Hebrew. “He created them male an

@EirChristina You are welcome. Why can’t more men stand up against these guys wh

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But we both believe that the Bible is inspired, right? In every word and even the grammar? I am not throwing out any part of it. Everything in com...

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, I’ll go to the church without leaders who believe that they as men are the only ones who the word came to and the only ones who the word comes forth from. I...

@StevenMKestner One reference I found interesting was in Katia Adams’ book “Equa

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just read "Hard Sayings of the Bible," by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H Davids, FF Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch from 1996. The part on 1Co 14:34-35 does not propose...

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means an

@jonedwardcroft The Bible should be understandable to all. But we need to be able to read in context. Nature is nature, it is what we can readily observe by just observing. Culture is everything that we do to change nature, like cutting hair. The IS...

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument that takes the text seriously. The idea that me

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument for what I think Paul is intending by what he w

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@ronhenzel @ScottCross_8 @ewarner88 @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Thanks. I only had to spend $11 this time to read the context. Collins himself admits that the wayyiqtol normally implies: "Genesis 2:19 seems to...