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@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these supposed gender hierarchy passages. Everything goes ba...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these suppo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-11

@BibleBashed @sympatheticNPC So your entire argument is that men can do more because they have more physical strength? And yet the entire Israel army of skilled fighting men was bested by a mere boy who threw rocks at a giant. God uses the weak to ...

@BibleBashed @sympatheticNPC So your entire argument is that men can do more because they have more physical strength? And yet the entire Israel army of skilled fighting men was bested by a mere boy

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-11

@JeremyMBauman @hamillaaron @MarkGrote Mike has a soft spot for complementarian scholars because he agrees with them already, but he’s on the warpath against egalitarians. Sometimes when you are thirsty for blood you show you are not really being ev...

@JeremyMBauman @hamillaaron @MarkGrote Mike has a soft spot for complementarian scholars because he agrees with them already, but he’s on the warpath against egalitarians. Sometimes when you are thir

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these supposed gender hierarchy passages. Everything goes ba...

@BibleBashed @sympatheticNPC So your entire argument is that men can do more because they have more physical strength? And yet the entire Israel army of skilled fighting men was bested by a mere boy who threw rocks at a giant. God uses the weak to ...

@JeremyMBauman @hamillaaron @MarkGrote Mike has a soft spot for complementarian scholars because he agrees with them already, but he’s on the warpath against egalitarians. Sometimes when you are thirsty for blood you show you are not really being ev...

@bagby_abe @BibleBashed You're referring to Mr. Bashed, right? Just look at the

@BibleBashed Wait...women are unable to be courageous??? 😮 You might be thinking of “Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.” (1 Corinthians 16:13, NASB 2020) However, this is in the plural and Paul is writing to the chur...

@AverageSc0t @TheologySteve @MikeWingerii @NathanFinochio I think this is hard for a man with authority over women to understand. Or perhaps functionally you act in a very egalitarian way 98% of the time and only pull your trump card to expedite dec...

@NathanFinochio @MikeWingerii I think it’s a mischaracterization to say complementarians hate women. They see them as equals but treat them as having a subservient role to males at least while on this earth and believe that this is the Biblical mode...

@Alex7Shiro To be fair he actually believes that God’s design is for him to make sure his wife does things right or else he is failing as a husband. He believes he is emulating God’s order of authority. Interestingly, people don’t obey God and I’m ...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl While I am egalitarian, I also disagree with Keener on his insistence that Peter is suggesting that Christian marriages should comply with every human institution including husbands being the lord over their wives. ...

@pauldirks @DeeGoingsGirl @KaeleyT Yes, everyone who is able bodied should do something to contribute, though clearly there are obvious cases where this doesn't apply. But are you saying that if there is something she isn't keeping up with, your opt...

@dougponder @CovenantReform2 Where is the term “role” ever mentioned? And where

@sparkobuzzer @DriverXag @ZacharyGarris Most complementarians I have interacted

@DriverXag @sparkobuzzer @ZacharyGarris Gal 3:26 is not dealing with physical land, but the inheritance given to Jesus. It’s about salvation and everything else. This includes the church. There’s nothing passed from male to male in terms of leader...

@Ripple_Train @ZacharyGarris You are correct that the Greek only says sons. It also says that all are sons, which you’ve also correctly noted. However, if all are sons and receive the inheritance of sons then that clearly indicates that there is no...

@ZacharyGarris But an unrepentant, willful lifestyle of sin means you are outside of the faith. Again, where—and you must provide this—is a woman speaking, teaching, leading, overseeing, pastoring EVER stated to be a sin or listed in any list of sin...

@realvamphours @IssaDegen @smashbaals On the other hand, when a complementarian “exegetes” it, it’s usually them just quoting it. Many don’t even seem to recognize that Paul’s grammar and word usage is complicated in this personal instruction to Tim...

By banning women…even from administering communion, churches have no choice but to leave these denominations. It is these denominations that are causing division. Jesus cares about the unity of His body and causing division over these matters is no...

@IIIIIJOSHIIIII @JohnHar63885981 @DickSaban1 Now that we know what you believe,

@IIIIIJOSHIIIII @PubliusJosephus @DickSaban1 I’m all for more faithful men! Bring them on. But those men should be humble servants. You can’t blame society on the church. Unbelievers will be unbelievers. But if they see the church blindly doing ...

@IIIIIJOSHIIIII @smashbaals That response is getting tired. “The woman” is NOT Eve, but Eve is a prototype in that she was deceived while Adam was not. The situation in Ephesus mirrors that in the garden where a wife who is deceived and has left th...

@DrSSteele @smashbaals Scripture matters 100%! Every word, all the context, the

@CameronGunn1863 @twigsally @smashbaals This is a strange argument for someone s

@DrSSteele @smashbaals Where is gender role in the text? If its ordained by God, role should be there as that's what everyone thinks is so important. Primacy means that it's the males that must do all the leading, preaching, judging doctrine, overs...

@tradwifetoday @taxpayer0011 @DrCurtisFreeman @BethMooreLPM @DukeChapel Of cours

@taxpayer0011 I see. Where is a godly woman preaching true doctrine ever listed in any list of sins in scripture? Is it in one of the creeds? Primary doctrines are those that define us as Christians. Secondary ones are those that are debatable th...

@pastherandie @Pathfinder4545 @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve The question is what does the text mean by head, because Paul sees Adam as the head of Eve. Kephale has a range of meaning and the meaning intended is understood by the context. In this, t...

@pastherandie @lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve This is actually the one instance where authority over the spouse is even mentioned! (I know of no other reference) "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise the...

@GlennDavies @KaeleyT @PrestonSprinkle I actually don’t think that the complementarian view leads to oppression of women *necessarily.* I have been part of several complementarian churches and they typically just reserved the lead pastoral role for a...

@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi However, in this case we have two anarthrous, "a woman" and "Eve" and one arthrous "the woman"⎯we have to determine who fits. They are both close and there is no hard and fast rule how close. Paul's context and grammar wil...

@ronhenzel @HwsEleutheroi So what you are essentially admitting though is that it could be either way? How then would Paul differentiate from "a woman" and "Eve" in the context of this passage? We have other reasons to believe that Eve cannot be "t...

@ThandaM2 @Brian_Sauve No, there is no evidence of any gender roles, or ruling of the man over the woman or authority hierarchy in the minds of any that were present. God didn't say to Adam "Why didn't to take authority over your wife and make her o...

@lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve Interesting. I think men need to lead more, but I don't think that means they need to be in authority over their wives and break every tie in decision making. Egalitarianism is not Matriarchy; it is equality, mutuality an...

@Jimmer4Pres @WWUTTcom Did you view the video by Dr. James White? He says the anarthrous precedes the articular. Paul says "a woman/wife," then highlights her prototype, Eve, then clarifies "the woman...she will be saved through the childbearing if...

@WeakGameForever @NeilShenvi @MikeWingerii But Paul says "a woman" not "all women." And then this would also mean you are saying "All women will be saved through childbearing if all women continue in faith..." Which makes one wonder how men are sav...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel I don't follow your logic here. Why does there need to be two prototypes? There is literally a specific unnamed deceived wife teaching false doctrine in the church at Ephesus. Eve is being used to show that the situation in ...

@ronhenzel The only meaning I'm twisting is the one you seemed to shoehorn into the text. Eve will be saved...if they continue in faith...? Who is the they? I think we have to take how Paul was using his words and not try to twist them to mean som...

@NewsJun68601116 @Brian_Sauve Where does the Bible speak about gender roles? Wh

@Jayessaych @Dioko1462 @Brian_Sauve If we are talking about guys that take no responsibility and instead just watch football while the wife does everything—that kind of thing, then I’d be in full agreement with you. There should be shared responsibi...

@DST_QA I don't make this a "hill to die on" as I have attended complementarian churches and am able to work within their restrictions. However, I find that most comp churches won't allow those who are convinced egalitarians into leadership, so it h...

@DST_QA I've believed this since around 2009 but didn't make it a big issue until the last 5 years. I was in a complementarian church (Calvary Chapel), then non-denom (egalitarian), then Baptist (mostly complementarian but shifting). In the Baptist...

@MargMowczko Thanks Marg. If Paul had a specific woman in mind who he linked with the prototypical Eve, how would he refer to her? Would there be a different way to do it? Also, do you think "the woman" in vs14 is the one in v15, "She will be save...

@ronhenzel Most people have never heard of this term, so to the average person...it's complicated. You have extensive training in Greek and years of teaching it, so for you this is a yawner. But yes, this is not unique to Greek. I'm glad you agree...

@ronhenzel However, this is the case of a noun being repeated twice, not a prono

In 1 Tim 2:15, who are the “she” and the “they” referring to? Options: 1. A generic woman / all women 2. Eve / all women 3. Women* / all women 4. A specific woman / her and her husband 5. Something else? *Note: some translations change the singula...

@ronhenzel @ortrails @goteamcarr This commentator has no idea who the "she" and "they" are, misses Paul's reference to the 'seed of the woman, Eve' (ie. the childbearing⎯definite singular noun), and is hypothesizing about home roles. Paul is writing...

Here’s how 1 Tim 2:10-15 works syntactically and contextually⎯ Paul is not referring to a typical woman or women in general, but instructing Timothy on how to deal with a specific unnamed deceived woman who⎯like her prototype "Eve"⎯is handing the "a...

@smashbaals We have deprecated the importance and centrality of the Lord’s suppe

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom! What are you doing? Paul says we are to emulate Christ who subjected Himself to being made in flesh like us to serve us even to death on a cross. The admonition is to go and d...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am working on a chart and I’ll share that with you once I’m done. It might help to visualize the text to see how this explanation fits Paul’s argument perfectly. Also, if you don’...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Adam and Eve were married. Can Paul not use them as prototypes to refer to an unnamed couple which just happens to be repeating a similar deception type of fall? Would Adam have eat...

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@GlennDavies @KaeleyT @PrestonSprinkle I actually don’t think that the complementarian view leads to oppression of women necessarily. I have been part of several complementarian churches and they typically just reserved the lead pastoral role for a...