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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-05

@InterwebsLurker @MikeWingerii There’s neither the term nor the concept of gende

@InterwebsLurker @MikeWingerii There’s neither the term nor the concept of gender roles or authority structures taught in the New Testament.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-05

@jhob97 @MikeWingerii So you know where the Greek word for “role” is? Mike didn’

@jhob97 @MikeWingerii So you know where the Greek word for “role” is? Mike didn’t show this anywhere in the 40+ hours of his series.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-05

@MikeWingerii You refer to “what the Bible teaches about gender roles.” Please

@MikeWingerii You refer to “what the Bible teaches about gender roles.” Please show me the word “role” in the New Testament. Let’s start there.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@MikeWingerii In that case, you’ll want to review your views on restriction of w

@MikeWingerii In that case, you’ll want to review your views on restriction of women in leadership, whether there really is any hierarchy of authority between husband and wife and in the church. To be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@marshalldukat I need you to provide me with some Biblical evidence: 1. Where in scripture is a godly woman teaching truth to anyone ever declared a *sin*? Where is it included in any list of *sins* so we can see that teaching which approves of godl...

@marshalldukat I need you to provide me with some Biblical evidence: 1. Where in scripture is a godly woman teaching truth to anyone ever declared a *sin*? Where is it included in any list of *sins*

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@jdpritchett @MikeWingerii You are of course right, but you and I are men and whether we go to an egalitarian church or not, we are not personally affected. It's the women that I'm concerned about. But you are still right, that I don't need to list...

@jdpritchett @MikeWingerii You are of course right, but you and I are men and whether we go to an egalitarian church or not, we are not personally affected. It's the women that I'm concerned about.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@th3muse @ryancduff I think that Mike has made significant contributions, the vast majority of which I agree with him on. I just think he has a particular aim to take down egalitarians and evangelize them all back to complementarian. I just want him...

@th3muse @ryancduff I think that Mike has made significant contributions, the vast majority of which I agree with him on. I just think he has a particular aim to take down egalitarians and evangelize

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@ryancduff Yeah, I was actually kind of shocked by this statement from Mike. I watched it several times looking for some hint that he might have been speaking to a small extreme group that was perhaps slandering complementarians. It seems he wants me...

@ryancduff Yeah, I was actually kind of shocked by this statement from Mike. I watched it several times looking for some hint that he might have been speaking to a small extreme group that was perhaps

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@Markbhere2 @MikeWingerii I also appreciate Mike Winger. And I also agree with him on the vast majority of what he says. This issue is different and I’m not sure why. He does not treat egalitarians with the same grace and respect he treats others. An...

@Markbhere2 @MikeWingerii I also appreciate Mike Winger. And I also agree with him on the vast majority of what he says. This issue is different and I’m not sure why. He does not treat egalitarians wi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@OK_JayW @tracygrubbs @MikeWingerii Where is the verse that says that godly wome

@OK_JayW @tracygrubbs @MikeWingerii Where is the verse that says that godly women teaching or pastoring is a sin? Where is it in any list of sins?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@mvpompa @ryancduff Again, it's about calling for wisdom and grace for those who

@mvpompa @ryancduff Again, it's about calling for wisdom and grace for those who are trying to figure out how to apply complementarian and patriarchal views, not for dealing with egalitarians.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@mvpompa Listen to the last 15 minutes—Mike is very evangelistic about his belie

@mvpompa Listen to the last 15 minutes—Mike is very evangelistic about his belief that heartily promoting complementarian views are the only way to be truly Biblical.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@mvpompa First, he said it was a secondary issue. You only repent of sins. If I

@mvpompa First, he said it was a secondary issue. You only repent of sins. If I sincerely hold to a conviction based on scripture that the Bible doesn’t restrict women and that there is no hierarchy o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@914Ann I think Mike would agree with you. But having a position of authority on

@914Ann I think Mike would agree with you. But having a position of authority only really matters when it comes time to force your will, when there’s a disagreement. The trump card only solves the pro

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@Peacemaker811 @MikeWingerii Well, I guess a woman cannot teach heresy…but I’m s

@Peacemaker811 @MikeWingerii Well, I guess a woman cannot teach heresy…but I’m sure Mike would agree that men can’t either. So even equal in that one without a 1Tim 2:12 for men. 🤷‍♂️

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “I wish there wasn’t such division and disagreement on this topic” [4

Mike says, “I wish there wasn’t such division and disagreement on this topic” [4:18:43] However, Mike is perpetuating the division by accusing egalitarians of causing great harm to the church and cal

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make the required change, and respond to what God has revealed through his extensive video series. [4:16:00] /102

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

It is because in the evangelical church they are vilified and put down and accus

It is because in the evangelical church they are vilified and put down and accused of sin. It is amazing there are any women who would allow themselves to be in a position of being accused of sin. Man

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

To call it sin without evidence of a sin is actually forcing his own conscience

To call it sin without evidence of a sin is actually forcing his own conscience onto others. He is holding back women and is therefore himself part of the problem. People wonder why there are not more

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Yet time after time in this video, Mike has shown example after example of women

Yet time after time in this video, Mike has shown example after example of women who did things that appear to be authoritative to which the scripture does not even comment in any negative way about.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

If there is even one instance where a woman can speak with authority, then Mike'

If there is even one instance where a woman can speak with authority, then Mike's argument absolutely breaks down. /93

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an elder does in teaching authority” [4:06:43] /90

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike lists a bunch of influential Biblical women acknowledging that they were ve

Mike lists a bunch of influential Biblical women acknowledging that they were very influential but then says that influence is not the same as Eldership. He says that women should teach and lead but

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practi

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practice was never to restrict a godly woman. Instead, Paul restricted false teaching, never true teaching. /84

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “It is interesting that the New Testament doesn’t give us clear polic

Mike says, “It is interesting that the New Testament doesn’t give us clear policies (ie. on when women can’t speak)” [3:47:50] Indeed. Does it not occur that it might be b/c there is no gender author

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Why then is he so hard on Egalitarians who really only slightly differ with him

Why then is he so hard on Egalitarians who really only slightly differ with him in not limiting women from speaking the Word of God as it truly is? Look at what confusion arises when you make authori

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “There is room for disagreement here and Rom 14 applies, should have

Mike says, “There is room for disagreement here and Rom 14 applies, should have tolerance for those who disagree” [3:40:35] Mike is speaking to complementarians, of course b/c "they are trying to ple

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

So Mike leans towards egalitarian practice because he is worried about the negat

So Mike leans towards egalitarian practice because he is worried about the negative side effects of complementarian and patriarchal tendencies to limit women. How ironic. /74

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that his bias is to lean on more of the liberty side of things as he i

Mike says that his bias is to lean on more of the liberty side of things as he is concerned that women will end up weak because they won’t do theology or practice praying publicly or teaching etc. [3:

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says "It's a genuine tough question...I just don't know" [3:29:48] Mike is

Mike says "It's a genuine tough question...I just don't know" [3:29:48] Mike is struggling with the age where women should no longer teach boys and thinks this is a genuinely tough question which he

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike asks, "what about women leading in prayer? As long as it is done in a way t

Mike asks, "what about women leading in prayer? As long as it is done in a way that is not 'elderly like'" [3:22:47] Well Mike has a problem here, because if a woman can prophecy, is he going to limi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Now isn't this interesting! So he is admitting that one of the impacts of comps

Now isn't this interesting! So he is admitting that one of the impacts of comps is that women don't get practice if they are afraid of sinning by speaking, teaching, praying publicly, or spiritually l

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that he is worried about theologically weak women who don’t talk about

Mike says that he is worried about theologically weak women who don’t talk about theology because they are scared to violate scripture. He wants them to talk about it and teach each other just not act

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their reade

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their readers to try to convince them, not to take authority over them, because they may not even know them or their circumstances.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike convinces himself that men can learn from female exegetes who write books.

Mike convinces himself that men can learn from female exegetes who write books. His reason? Because of Priscilla. [3:09:00] Mike then comments, "Don’t write in such a way as you are taking authority

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on th

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on the speaker "and them speaking authoritatively," saying that this should not be done by women. Seems to overlap into elder

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says a woman can informally teach men theology, correct them, post somethin

Mike says a woman can informally teach men theology, correct them, post something to correct on social media, etc. He says that since Priscilla did it, then it's ok. [2:57:00] Mike keeps narrowing d

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike asks, "Sunday school? Fine - not teaching men." Mike adds, "Food ministry?

Mike asks, "Sunday school? Fine - not teaching men." Mike adds, "Food ministry? Fine - nothing like elder role." /57

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His rea

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His reasons are because: 1. Pheobe was one 2. 1Ti 3:11 "Wives" a. No qual for elder's wives in first part of 1Ti 3 b. Many

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems to show that women can be in the highest position of authority, but rarely and not ideally (in his opinion). Mike seems

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wa

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wasn’t making a hard and fast rule, just that the Bible tells women to take care of the home (says Mike). Interesting tha

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that men submitting to female bosses is a good thing (from comments on

Mike says that men submitting to female bosses is a good thing (from comments on Prov 31) because the ideal woman is clearly managing male and female servants. [1:54:00] /44

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike reasons that women can be in positions of authority because those positions

Mike reasons that women can be in positions of authority because those positions are not as important as marriage or church. [1:52:00] So Mike makes distinctions based on how he values positions in s

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Why does Mike think that women could correct when there was false teaching, but

Why does Mike think that women could correct when there was false teaching, but not teach men in the context of laying down a foundation of the truth? /41

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no woman was ever corrected for teaching and correcting. Surely with all of Paul’s female helpers there were some others wh

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never criticized or said to be in sin for her position. This is really noteworthy! So if we take Mike’s comments about Debo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:0

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:00] So Mike doesn't see it as unquestioning authority which is good. However, women will think 2x or 3x before they do t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

I think Mike sees himself as a one man council, like the council of Nicea, comin

I think Mike sees himself as a one man council, like the council of Nicea, coming up with a new statement on how men and women should relate in order to fulfill the complementarian view of scripture.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female su

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female submission in marriage. Pillar 2⃣: Elders’ positions and functions are for men only. Pillar 3⃣: women’s status as image be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater auth

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater authority: “You should not think of this as a way to degrade women and think of them as less, but to treat them with underst

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