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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-19

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel I see many cases of women leading in various capacities in the mission field. They are translating scripture, leading house churches, counselling men and women and generally doing the hard work of discipling and putting th...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel I see many cases of women leading in various capacities in the mission field. They are translating scripture, leading house churches, counselling men and women and generall

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@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel Except that relational hierarchy was not Paul’s stat

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel Except that relational hierarchy was not Paul’s stated purpose of the letter nor does putting all women under the control of their husbands curtail false teaching unless th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-19

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS I agree with you that the genitive of aner is with respect to authentein and not gyne in 1Ti 2:12. Now that I have my facts straight 😅, everything is in order because the context gives us the clues required to under...

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS I agree with you that the genitive of aner is with respect to authentein and not gyne in 1Ti 2:12. Now that I have my facts straight 😅, everything is in order becaus

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-19

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel What we do is that Paul doesn't use an imperative here and Asher is right to point to Paul's reference to his own direction for this situation. If this were a general command about women not teaching men, there would have ...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel What we do is that Paul doesn't use an imperative here and Asher is right to point to Paul's reference to his own direction for this situation. If this were a general comma

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@ronhenzel No, I said it is a specific wife and husband as clarified by the cont

@ronhenzel No, I said it is a specific wife and husband as clarified by the context. So this translation negates it has to do with a generic woman and a generic man.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-19

@ronhenzel Ok, so this is not new information to you? So I will walk through examples where you don't have complementarian blinders on to prove that who it applies to is clear in each case. While it appears you are not ready to walk back your comment...

@ronhenzel Ok, so this is not new information to you? So I will walk through examples where you don't have complementarian blinders on to prove that who it applies to is clear in each case. While it a

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel I see many cases of women leading in various capacities in the mission field. They are translating scripture, leading house churches, counselling men and women and generally doing the hard work of discipling and putting th...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel Except that relational hierarchy was not Paul’s stat

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS I agree with you that the genitive of aner is with respect to authentein and not gyne in 1Ti 2:12. Now that I have my facts straight 😅, everything is in order because the context gives us the clues required to under...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel What we do is that Paul doesn't use an imperative here and Asher is right to point to Paul's reference to his own direction for this situation. If this were a general command about women not teaching men, there would have ...

@ronhenzel No, I said it is a specific wife and husband as clarified by the cont

@ronhenzel Ok, so this is not new information to you? So I will walk through examples where you don't have complementarian blinders on to prove that who it applies to is clear in each case. While it appears you are not ready to walk back your comment...

@REF0RMEDBAPTIST @ronhenzel An unfortunate gymnastics boo boo, but has nothing to do with my exegesis of 1Ti 3:15. As you may be aware, often in debates, after each person presents, it can appear like the one who just presented is correct. "The fir...

@ronhenzel @MBurtwrites Right, that certainly doesn't sound like a total guess. In context, Paul knows that the young, single Timothy interjecting to stop this woman from teaching with her husband silently watching could be dicey. Maybe they would d...

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel You are certainly free to call me empty, p

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Whatever the case, if the teaching is Biblical, then all⎯including the men, including the apostles⎯all must submit. If it unbiblical, then no matter what authority the person thinks they have, you are not required to submit (ie...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Looking at all the details, not only just the original language and grammar, but the details in the context as well is essential to understanding what the author intended by his words. And yes, it should make sense with the res...

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Related to the meaning of kephale, the Brill DAG lexicon c

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS Don’t be fooled: Ron knows what he *isn’t* te

@ronhenzel @_JustWriting @TomBuck @DaveSmith2019 Thanks, Ron. Pay attention to w

@ronhenzel @OrinRomine @ryancduff Ron is just using distraction here as he knows

@ronhenzel @TakTik227f1 @KaitlynSchiess Ron is just distracting from the fact th

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Since this is a personal letter to Timothy, Paul is able to be more discreet and yet Timothy will understand who it is that he needs to deal with. No where does Paul infer explicitly or implicitly that the problem is some teach...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And why he might be obscuring the name of a specific deceived married woman in the church at Ephesus whom Timothy would readily recognize without naming given Paul’s comments. Paul told us: “remain…so that you would instruct *...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Of course, you are not saying that Paul cannot use “a woman” to be referring to a specific woman, right? Because pennies, tigers and rotten apples have nothing to do with the context of this passage, Paul’s stated purpose in wr...

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose As for 1 Tim 2:12-14, take a look at the following which e

@DiscoverJesus3 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @NBidnz I wouldn’t say that last statement as many have come to Christ in patriarchal and complementarian churches. As an egalitarian I have no problem working with complementarians who sincerely think this is the...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Description doesn’t imply prescription. Just as Paul didn’t seem to think Peter was the uncorrectable pope and publicly rebuked him when he strayed by treating the Gentiles differently when the Judiazers were present, I think s...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel There we go again—judicial authority. This is all about authority of one gender over the others or hierarchy of authority within the church which is what Jesus spoke against clearly to his apostles. And curiously you say that w...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel What you think is clear is because it’s the only way you’ve read these passages. If you hadn’t noticed, there are no male pronouns in the Greek of 1 Tim 3:1-13, there’s no “must not be a woman,” the “one wife husband”—whatever ...

@DoreenVirtue @lovesickscribe Hi Doreen! People who see 1 Tim 2:12 as forbidding godly women from teaching true doctrine to anyone whether in the pulpit or out of the pulpit (does that matter? was there a pulpit in the early church?)⎯these misinterpr...

@lordgrindleford @ScottCross_8 @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz So the honour went to De

@ronhenzel Well, they probably should. They are complementarians after all and a

@ronhenzel You are right, it doesn't settle the argument. We need context and ev

@ronhenzel Why do complementarians keep asserting that this is all about "authoritative teaching"? Please, help⎯what precisely is this authoritative teaching that only men can speak in the church? Is this something extra-Biblical like what car I sho...

@ChrisPorter22 @RevKimWChafee Think before I post? You're kidding right? What post should I retract now? And what precisely is my bias? Please, do tell. Bigotry? How many times do I have to say I'm egalitarian and that women are to be treated equal t...

@ronhenzel And just as I thought, David Garland actually argues against Ron's interpretation... “Paul’s ambivalence about the value of being esteemed by the apostles (Gal. 2:6), however, makes this interpretation of the phrase questionable.” ⎯Garlan...

@Jgallagher1958 @ronhenzel Only foreign speakers need to consult Greek Lexicons.

@RevKimWChafee @ChrisPorter22 What?! You muted me? I'm egalitarian and a vocal a

@ronhenzel Precisely. Because it is how PAUL uses this phrasing, not how other Ancient Greek literature used it in other contexts and by other authors. Authorial intent and context are what we need to pay attention to. Was Paul deferring to how the...

Ron Henzel @ronhenzel says that the idea that Paul is showing Timothy how he ought to behave is "not REMOTELY possible" is quite a statement. Ron's bias seems to be clouding his judgment. You see, we have the same word being used in Luke 2:12 with ...

@ronhenzel Thanks for the history lesson. Disqualifying every movement that allowed women in leadership is important for you it seems. It doesn’t bother me because my argument isn’t based on history but on the Bible itself. Because history is not ou...

We don’t want to “out” complementarians! We just want them to stop forcing egali

Wolfe wants all SBC churches to be complementarian. He equates this with conservative values and upholding scripture, but it’s just his interpretation of secondary issues that he wants to *force* on all. This is not a gospel issue. It should not divi...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Two points: 1. The 70 were prior to the church. 2. In the earliest times of the church before the incorporation of Gentiles was clear, the disciples would have defaulted to what they knew previously, so the fac...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Not only did priests have to be men but also Jewish and of only one tribe (Levite) and they had to be without defect. Everything you are referring to is before the start of the church, before the resurrection a...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Yes, these men are listed as origins of peoples. But they are not listed as controllers or autocrats where the buck always stops. It seems the only reason in your mind for a man being selected as the origin poi...

@KimberleeJayneW @MikeWingerii Good questions. 1. Church discipline is not something done by the elders as so many seem to think. There is no explicit elder involvement in Matt 18:15-20. They could be one or more of the witnesses, but not necessari...

@PatrickHen1776 @MikeWingerii Yes, that’s a fairly common view of complementarians and why churches in the SBC are kicking out egalitarian churches. But I don’t think @MikeWingerii goes this far…or does he? Is it that he still sees female pastors as...

@ryancduff He misses Paul’s reason for writing what he did to Timothy. He doesn’t seem to recognize that since Paul mentions Eve in this context that he is referring to how God said humanity would be saved through the seed of the woman. So too this d...

@BasteGhost @wtfcali_ @TheOnlyDSC @AmandaTylerBJC What makes your opinion relevant? And why did you skip v15? If you cannot explain that verse which is Paul's concluding summary of this passage, then what makes you think you understand the rest? God...

@ABlakeWhite God did not design a man to rule over his wife. How we interpret Gen 1-3 is very important to this discussion. I'm not sure how you understand the creation order in Gen 2, but God was creating animals in front of Adam such that Adam was ...

@ZachWLambert Most complementarians don’t believe that women can’t share the gospel. While I don’t agree with Zach on same sex unions, and I’m not sure how he gets his egalitarian views from 1 Tim 2:11-15 and 1 Tim 3:1-13, I agree with his conclusio...

@PaulieCuddy So women preaching true doctrine or pastoring a church will go to Hell? And those like me exegeting the passages that seem to restrict them will also go there because you disagree with me? Where is a godly woman preaching true doctrine ...

@terryne02461221 @Vestwitt @HwsEleutheroi Correct, the Greek has no commas and yes context determine the meaning—and your proposed meaning is meaningless. Terry, today I’m telling you that your proposed meaning is meaningless. I’m not telling it to y...

@terryne02461221 @Vestwitt @HwsEleutheroi The passage where Jesus emphasizes the necessity of believing that He is the "I am" is found in John 8:24: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that *I am,* you wil...

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@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS Don’t be fooled: Ron knows what he isn’t te

Wolfe wants all SBC churches to be complementarian. He equates this with conservative values and upholding scripture, but it’s just his interpretation of secondary issues that he wants to force on all. This is not a gospel issue. It should not divi...

@terryne02461221 @Vestwitt @HwsEleutheroi The passage where Jesus emphasizes the necessity of believing that He is the "I am" is found in John 8:24: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you wil...