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@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_r

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am. That's why I'm out here correcting those of you who struggle to read the Bible in context. Then I'll go ch

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@ronhenzel Let's review: 1. You said truth divides in relation to asserting wome

@ronhenzel Let's review: 1. You said truth divides in relation to asserting women cannot teach men. 2. You highlighted a truth we should divide over, that is who is Jesus. 3. You applied something we

@LapisRobustus No. Let's start with 1 Cor 14:34-35. Paul is responding to things the Corinthians wrote to him in their prior letter. These verses can be taken with quotation marks. Paul then says in v36, “What? came the word of God out from you [men]...

@LapisRobustus No. Let's start with 1 Cor 14:34-35. Paul is responding to things the Corinthians wrote to him in their prior letter. These verses can be taken with quotation marks. Paul then says in v

1 Cor 14:34-35 question

@PrinceZiwa Why do you use that Bible verse in this way? Women are saved in the same way as men⎯through believing the gospel of Jesus' death and resurrection on our behalf. PS> It's "the childbearing" which is a definite noun...it's NOT a verb. ...

@PrinceZiwa Why do you use that Bible verse in this way? Women are saved in the same way as men⎯through believing the gospel of Jesus' death and resurrection on our behalf. PS> It's "the childbea

@ronhenzel @johnnylately Ok, so in the churches Paul and the apostles oversaw, women were teaching and pastoring along with men, then there were 19 centuries of suppression of women, and we have finally now realized our error and are correcting back ...

@ronhenzel @johnnylately Ok, so in the churches Paul and the apostles oversaw, women were teaching and pastoring along with men, then there were 19 centuries of suppression of women, and we have final

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Sure. No magic wands required. Just careful attention to the details in the text and the context and purpose of the letter. Paul says "I do not permit"...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Sure. No magic wands required. Just careful attention to the details in the text and the context and p

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie No, I have no problem teaching solely from the book of 1 Timothy and proving that what you just stated is a foreign idea complementarians and patriachalists are inserting into this text. See ...

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie No, I have no problem teaching solely from the book of 1 Timothy and proving that what you just stated is a foreign idea complementarians and

@Jim7699 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel Paul could have made this more clear by saying something like "an elder must not be a woman" or "women must only teach other women." Paul's statement isn't vague as he already told us his purpose which was for Timothy t...

@Jim7699 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel Paul could have made this more clear by saying something like "an elder must not be a woman" or "women must only teach other women." Paul's statement isn't vague as he a

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii On basis do you conclude this? Surely you are not referring to 1 Tim 3:1–13, which has no male pronouns, nowhere, says “must not be a woman”, and even s...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii On basis do you conclude this? Surely you are not referring to 1 Tim 3:1–13, which has no male pronoun

1 Tim 3:1 question

RT @ryanschatz: @ronhenzel Yes the truth of the gospel divides. And sin divide

RT @ryanschatz: @ronhenzel Yes the truth of the *gospel* divides. And sin divides. But failure to read Paul in context has you believing th…

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@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii What?? Are you suggesting that no women have the ability or capacity to teach? Surely I’m misreading y

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel I love how we are a team on this. Why won't the church wake

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel I love how we are a team on this. Why won't the church wake up and realize that they have suppressed women for so long!

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Is this a popularity contest or about what is scr

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Is this a popularity contest or about what is scripture? Remember, you said "scripture interprets scripture." No scripture says that women were created lacking the disce

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel But don't despair...we've got these minority texts too! Careful reading and reflection of these texts by taking all the details in their context including the grammar and they become clear that it's not about restricting godly wo...

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel But don't despair...we've got these minority texts too! Careful reading and reflection of these texts by taking all the details in their context including the grammar and they bec

@DiscoverJesus3 @pastherandie @ronhenzel I appreciate your encouragement here. J

@DiscoverJesus3 @pastherandie @ronhenzel I appreciate your encouragement here. Just remember that we came to know Jesus through His revelation in scripture. This is about correctly handling His Word.

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Yes, the ground was cursed, not Adam. There's a difference. Also notice, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife..." Adam was right there. He heard her speaking to the Serpent and her repeating of the com...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Yes, the ground was cursed, not Adam. There's a difference. Also notice, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife..." Adam was right there. He heard her sp

@the_blind_guide @ronhenzel This is correct. Not only that, but this passage is probably one of the most misused scriptures totally taken out of context. Paul is writing a personal letter to Timothy instructing him to stop "certain people" from teach...

@the_blind_guide @ronhenzel This is correct. Not only that, but this passage is probably one of the most misused scriptures totally taken out of context. Paul is writing a personal letter to Timothy i

@ronhenzel How about this one, Ron⎯God says one of the things He hates is spreading strife amongst brothers. Do you think that inferring that women teaching mean may be sin or rebellion against God's Word might cause strife and division? Something ...

@ronhenzel How about this one, Ron⎯God says one of the things He hates is spreading strife amongst brothers. Do you think that inferring that women teaching mean may be sin or rebellion against God's

@ronhenzel Ron, why do you quote John 10:19 out of context? What is the dissensi

@ronhenzel Ron, why do you quote John 10:19 out of context? What is the dissension about? Something that is not a sin like women in leadership? Or is it that Jesus is claiming to have the authority to

John 10:19 debate

@ronhenzel Yes the truth of the gospel divides. And sin divides. But failure to read Paul in context has you believing that not only was he writing to Timothy to stop FALSE teachers but also to stop godly women from teaching the truth? Doesn’t that...

@ronhenzel Yes the truth of the *gospel* divides. And sin divides. But failure to read Paul in context has you believing that not only was he writing to Timothy to stop FALSE teachers but also to stop

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The parallels are discrimination and quenching of

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The parallels are discrimination and quenching of the Spirit’s work. Complementarians are discriminatory. They just believe that God wants them to be. “Some humans are

Complementarians: Your MEN are being discriminated against! 👉Women get to receive the teaching gifts of the Holy Spirit through both men and women, but the men are only allowed to receive from other men. 😡You should be outraged! Why is God so pre...

Complementarians: Your MEN are being discriminated against! 👉Women get to receive the teaching gifts of the Holy Spirit through both men and women, but the men are only allowed to receive from other

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel @Jim7699 We’ve got better than that because there are excel

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel @Jim7699 We’ve got better than that because there are excellent exegetical and Biblically faithful explanations for 1 Tim 2:11-15 and the other passages seemingly restricting wome

1 Tim 2:11-15 general

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Then why does He gift women with teaching, preach

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Then why does He gift women with teaching, preaching and leadership gifts only to exclude men from benefiting from them?

@pauldirks @AngelaGraceLOU @KaeleyT Yes and no matter how much overlap there is, women are not to be elders because it violates a God ordained order, right? In the end, I think you try to validate the view of a God-ordained gender role hierarchy by l...

@pauldirks @AngelaGraceLOU @KaeleyT Yes and no matter how much overlap there is, women are not to be elders because it violates a God ordained order, right? In the end, I think you try to validate the

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant I won’t speak for Will, but I want to be clear that I’m not inferring at all that you are racist. The parallels are in immutable features resulting in discrimination, not actual ability or desire. I do think that compl...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant I won’t speak for Will, but I want to be clear that I’m not inferring at all that you are racist. The parallels are in immutable features resulting in discrimination, no

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Who is saying that a man has to be the woman of the house? You are presuming your view in how you frame your response. We aren’t saying men are women, but there is significant overlap in our responsibilities. Both my w...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Who is saying that a man has to be the woman of the house? You are presuming your view in how you frame your response. We aren’t saying men are women, but there is sign

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-15 Tit 1:5-9 debate

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can take work to undo the stuff we’ve been told is Biblic...

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can tak

@KimberleeJayneW Often, complementarians complain saying “feminists are selfish and just want their way” while then advising people to leave a church that has a female pastor showing that they want their way. It’s a pity that it all comes down to a m...

@KimberleeJayneW Often, complementarians complain saying “feminists are selfish and just want their way” while then advising people to leave a church that has a female pastor showing that they want th

@KimberleeJayneW Recommending people to leave their church if they have a female pastor is not divisive? If half the church left, that’s not dividing the body? I’m egalitarian and I have no problem attending and supporting a complementarian church ...

@KimberleeJayneW Recommending people to leave their church if they have a female pastor is not divisive? If half the church left, that’s not dividing the body? I’m egalitarian and I have no problem

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning If you want to call following the scripture pitiful then so be it. I’d rather be pitiful to some than disobedient to God. Also, you seem to have come around to now a...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning If you want to call following the scripture pitiful then so be it. I’d rather be pitiful to some than disobedient to

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@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are already clearly wrong when you used plain English and came up with the wrong interpretation of Matt 18:20. Is Jesus there with 1, like when Paul was in priso...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are already clearly wrong when you used plain English and came up with the wrong interpretation of Matt 18:20.

Matt 18:20 debate

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes only one man or woman can speak at a time because while we all have two ears, we only have the ability to listen to one at a time. If your argument is ‘a woman’ ...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes only one man or woman can speak at a time because while we all have two ears, we only have the ability to listen

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning The English is great until you get it completely wrong and think it is restricting godly women from teaching true doctrine to groups with males in them...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning The English is great until you get it completely wrong and think it is restricting godly women from t

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Is that so! VoicesInHisHead: The Bible is plain. Just read the English. Them: Uh…it was written in Hebrew and Greek. VoicesInHisHead: what? You thin...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Is that so! VoicesInHisHead: The Bible is plain. Just read the English. Them: Uh…it was written in

@MegaChurchMouse @JollyStine @CatherineMcNiel @William_E_Wolfe So if Hebrews was

@MegaChurchMouse @JollyStine @CatherineMcNiel @William_E_Wolfe So if Hebrews was written by Priscilla, would that make any difference to you? Just asking hypothetically.

1 Cor 11:3 1 Tim 2:12 debate

@militeschr87363 Yes I do. I believe the authority belongs to God and His word a

@militeschr87363 Yes I do. I believe the authority belongs to God and His word and assuming the person teaching is simply a messenger of God, I can learn from them. I think we are all interpreting 1

@pauldirks Interesting! So a man can only be blessed by a woman teacher if he believes 1 Tim 2:12 doesn’t refer to women teaching true doctrine and doesn’t think that teaching him means taking authority over him. Is that an accurate statement? But so...

@pauldirks Interesting! So a man can only be blessed by a woman teacher if he believes 1 Tim 2:12 doesn’t refer to women teaching true doctrine and doesn’t think that teaching him means taking authori

1 Tim 2:12 debate

@BoneD0C Thanks for asking! Yes, women can prophesy. I guess you must be thinkin

@BoneD0C Thanks for asking! Yes, women can prophesy. I guess you must be thinking that teaching and prophecy are different even though prophecy is often thought of as authoritative?

@shawnRwillson So do you think that also shouldn’t apply if a woman is speaking

@shawnRwillson So do you think that also shouldn’t apply if a woman is speaking in church, teaching from the pulpit? Or is it a danger because in the case she would mean to include men in her teaching

@1stprinciplesch Thanks for sharing! I’m certainly curious how complementarian sparse out this passage. If it means a bad authority, then no one should have this over anyone, right? So males should have this over females or anyone either? So then thi...

@1stprinciplesch Thanks for sharing! I’m certainly curious how complementarian sparse out this passage. If it means a bad authority, then no one should have this over anyone, right? So males should ha

@Non_Toxic_Man Sorry I didn’t have your response listed. How would you handle th

@Non_Toxic_Man Sorry I didn’t have your response listed. How would you handle this situation? Or how do you interpret 1 Tim 2:12?

1 Tim 2:12 question

@ToweringHills @carlaskaufel You are right, I’m finding there are a range of res

@ToweringHills @carlaskaufel You are right, I’m finding there are a range of responses on this one. It seems many interpret 1 Tim 2:12 quite differently.

1 Tim 2:12 general

@lurioosi From what I’m hearing from a number of complementarian and Patriarchal

@lurioosi From what I’m hearing from a number of complementarian and Patriarchalists, it seems many have different takes on 1 Tim 2:12 and I should have given other options. Sorry if missing options

1 Tim 2:12 debate

@1stprinciplesch @TheMuppetPastor That’s an intriguing answer! So you believe th

@1stprinciplesch @TheMuppetPastor That’s an intriguing answer! So you believe that no one—not just women⎯should authentein anyone, male or female, is that right?

@BoneD0C Thanks for sharing. Good choice! I’m assuming you are a complementarian

@BoneD0C Thanks for sharing. Good choice! I’m assuming you are a complementarian. How do you interpret 1 Tim 2:12?

1 Tim 2:12 debate

@kwesi_crocs 1 Tim 2:11-15 has nothing to do with this. There was a specific wom

@kwesi_crocs 1 Tim 2:11-15 has nothing to do with this. There was a specific woman in Ephesus teaching false doctrine. What does that have to do with politicians? We have very bad and some very good p

1 Tim 2:11-15 question

@colinsmo While it is possible, there is no explicit mention by Paul about the A

@colinsmo While it is possible, there is no explicit mention by Paul about the Artemis cult. Rather than reject egalitarian views because of one detail that might be off, maybe we can go back and talk

@freedom4alltime You can call me weak if you want. But I don’t see allowing and encouraging women to serve alongside men as weakness. I think many misunderstand the “natural order” and presume men are supposed to rule women when that’s not at all wha...

@freedom4alltime You can call me weak if you want. But I don’t see allowing and encouraging women to serve alongside men as weakness. I think many misunderstand the “natural order” and presume men are