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@ymmotrojam I am working on an exposition of 1 Cor 11:1-16. Paul is not commanding anything in verse 5. In verse 7, the words cut (κειράσθω) and cover (κατακαλυπτέσθω) are imperatives of toleration, ie. "let her cut" or "let her cover." The follow...

@ymmotrojam I am working on an exposition of 1 Cor 11:1-16. Paul is not commanding anything in verse 5. In verse 7, the words cut (κειράσθω) and cover (κατακαλυπτέσθω) are imperatives of toleration,

1 Cor 11:1-16 general

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Listen, go find your favourite Greek scholar and tell them to come here and rebuke me. Does MacArthur do X? Piper is here. How about Grudem? Dr. White? Or just wait until I get d...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Listen, go find your favourite Greek scholar and tell them to come here and rebuke me. Does MacArthur do X? Piper is here. How abo

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Asking for the word “role” is not a poor argument. It is an appropriate question, especially since you claim that this is what the passage is all about. Is a man to have the “role” o...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Asking for the word “role” is not a poor argument. It is an appropriate question, especially since you claim that this is what the pa

1 Tim 2:1 debate

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am not advo

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am not advocating non-Christian doctrine. BTW, Ron Henzel really likes charts with Greek on them. I just need some time to get ba

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am working on a chart and I’ll share that with you once I’m done. It might help to visualize the text to see how this explanation fits Paul’s argument perfectly. Also, if you don’...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am working on a chart and I’ll share that with you once I’m done. It might help to visualize the text to see how this explanation

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Think about w

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Think about what you wrote to me “You don’t need to delve into the Greek…”. Just think about that for another minute…. Why? Becaus

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Do you talk when you are being taught, or do you not also listen silently? The point is not to do the “but…but…but…” stuff but listen for the whole explanation. Role is not in the G...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Do you talk when you are being taught, or do you not also listen silently? The point is not to do the “but…but…but…” stuff but liste

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Rob blocked m

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Rob blocked me. That should tell you something. Gender roles are what you are importing into the text. Show me roles in the Greek…

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Except for si

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Except for single women who Paul said shouldn’t seek to get married (1 Cor 7). Are they left lost and in danger of deception because

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Now isn’t that interesting. So now it is disrespectful to use someone’s teaching on grammar if it supports my interpretation of another passage? 🤔 Listen, I know he doesn’t agree wi...

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Now isn’t that interesting. So now it is disrespectful to use someone’s teaching on grammar if it supports my interpretation of anot

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So Paul is describing sal

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So Paul is describing salvation for women only? Since when is there a means of salvation for women different from men?

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry Mike’s position hasn’t fundamentally changed since he started commenting on 1 Tim 2:11-15 about 4 years ago. The major difference is he holds it much more strongly now, and he’s hopeful v15’s th...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry Mike’s position hasn’t fundamentally changed since he started commenting on 1 Tim 2:11-15 about 4 years ago. The major difference is he holds it

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom. I'm not making this up. I'm just describing the grammar. A particular deceived woman is simply noting that Paul moves from plural "all women" to "a woman/wife" and in v14 says...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Tom. I'm not making this up. I'm just describing the grammar. A particular deceived woman is simply noting that Paul moves from pl

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@Deigratia1985 @SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I look forward to seeing whatever evidence you have. I’d also like to know what personal benefit you think I gain by being attacked all day long defending the right of women to be tr...

@Deigratia1985 @SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I look forward to seeing whatever evidence you have. I’d also like to know what personal benefit you think I gain by being attacked

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use the plural to refer to individuals? Most single/bar...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry So “she (singular)” and “they (plural)” are referring to the same group? To individual typical women in the church? Where does Paul ever use th

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-28

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry How do you know that “She (singular, feminine)” represents believers? If she will be saved like we all will be saved one day, why not make a general statement about all believers? I’m pretty su...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @kelcy_lowry How do you know that “She (singular, feminine)” represents believers? If she will be saved like we all will be saved one day, why not make a gen

@RisingDisciples What does God’s wrath have to do with persecution from men? The West hasn’t seen real persecution in a long time, but I’m fully aware what happened to all the apostles and many, many, many over the years who were tortured. I can re...

@RisingDisciples What does God’s wrath have to do with persecution from men? The West hasn’t seen real persecution in a long time, but I’m fully aware what happened to all the apostles and many, many

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastors, but they weren’t the mainstream. Luther disagr...

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 It doesn’t go against the teachings of Paul, but there may be some disagreement in church history no doubt. The pre-Luther Waldensiens accepted women as leaders and pastor

@Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam @kelcy_lowry Is questioning one’s interpretation of the Bible sowing doubt? I don’t even get that response from Mormons when I challenge them. Sometimes we have had conversations multiple times a week going...

@Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam @kelcy_lowry Is questioning one’s interpretation of the Bible sowing doubt? I don’t even get that response from Mormons when I challenge them. Sometimes we

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Using scripture to help decide is great. I wasn’t trying to pick any particular decision per se, but the idea that in a disagreement, your desires are prioritized over those of your wife’s. So ultimately ...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Using scripture to help decide is great. I wasn’t trying to pick any particular decision per se, but the idea that in a disagreement, your desires are priori

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a complementarian you believe I have a false view! Everyo...

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a comple

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the word of God originate with you? Or has it come to y...

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the wo

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believ

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believe they should be able to speak as God leads should be ignored because they are females and they are usurping the primacy

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul was addressing in his corrective. The wives were ob...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul wa

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific deceived woman who has left orthodoxy and who is u...

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific

@psalm119164 @chris_jolliff Maybe all the men don’t understand because the teach

@psalm119164 @chris_jolliff Maybe all the men don’t understand because the teacher is a woman and so the men have their fingers in their ears?

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Loose interpretation? You keep quoting the English. Have you not seen the Greek? Look at it here. "Subject" or ὑποτασσόμενοι (hypotassomenoi) is in verse 21, not verse 22. And it is a participle in a list ...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Loose interpretation? You keep quoting the English. Have you not seen the Greek? Look at it here. "Subject" or ὑποτασσόμενοι (hypotassomenoi) is in verse 21

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are deceptive in how you are framing what I said and ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and restrict women from something and make it a sin if...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (Peter and John), and they self identify. - No one i...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (P

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all believe). - I already explained the meaning of 1 ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all

1 Tim 2:11 commentary

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is kinda funny…that overseer is feminine. I don’t nee...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is k

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in government is not to be found within the church! Mike cann...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in governmen

1 Tim 2:2 debate

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching true doctrine to women to groups including men is...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority but source relationships. You have been thoroughly...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority b

1 Tim 2:11 debate

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore m

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore me and the women speaking.

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibility. Why? Paul is warning those that forbid peop...

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibil

1 Cor 7:1 debate

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and pastors to congregants). Women are not restricte...

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and

@ZacharyGarris @monokitsune_x3 Can you please list where “role” is stated in the

@ZacharyGarris @monokitsune_x3 Can you please list where “role” is stated in the New Testament? What is the Greek word used?

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by disobeying a command, then consider the following comm...

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by diso

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of the Bible. Linda Belleville did an exhaustive se...

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of

@ronhenzel @Allbald2 @ZacharyGarris Ephesians 5:21 (NASB) and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. “To one another” is a reciprocal pronoun. See the Greek grammar below: The "reciprocal pronoun" is as follows: The New Testament, partic...

@ronhenzel @Allbald2 @ZacharyGarris Ephesians 5:21 (NASB) and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. “To one another” is a reciprocal pronoun. See the Greek grammar below: The "reciprocal

Ephesians 5:21 general

@ymmotrojam The Amplified Bible says that anyone who doesn’t recognize the Lord’s commandments (throughout chapter 14) is to be disregarded and not recognized. The ISV says "he should be ignored." Those who refuse to acknowledge that it is the comm...

@ymmotrojam The Amplified Bible says that anyone who doesn’t recognize the Lord’s commandments (throughout chapter 14) is to be disregarded and not recognized. The ISV says "he should be ignored." T

1 Cor 14:34 1 Tim 2:11 1 Tim 3:15 general

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the faith with a clear conscience, etc)⎯it also doesn't ...

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the fa

@ymmotrojam Read what I said again then look at the context and tell me that doe

@ymmotrojam Read what I said again then look at the context and tell me that doesn't make sense. Paul is not establishing what it means to have an official vs unofficial gathering.

@ymmotrojam Again, you are making up this whole idea of formal/informal, and it only causes confusion, especially when you tie it to sin. Further, Paul's instruction was actually NOT to cover one's head. That includes women. Except if a woman is m...

@ymmotrojam Again, you are making up this whole idea of formal/informal, and it only causes confusion, especially when you tie it to sin. Further, Paul's instruction was actually NOT to cover one's h

@ymmotrojam This makes this prohibition very confusing. If you have a gathering that is studying scripture and communing together and women can speak and share, but in the case of a full gathering they have to be silent or otherwise be in rebellion ...

@ymmotrojam This makes this prohibition very confusing. If you have a gathering that is studying scripture and communing together and women can speak and share, but in the case of a full gathering th

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the way, does your church eat together every Sunday? I ...

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the wa

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 If a church goes egalitarian in rebellion to what they think is the clear teaching of the text, this spells problems. I agree with that. But that is not what I and my church are doing. We don’t believe that these scriptu...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 If a church goes egalitarian in rebellion to what they think is the clear teaching of the text, this spells problems. I agree with that. But that is not what I and my chur