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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@th3muse @ryancduff I think that Mike has made significant contributions, the vast majority of which I agree with him on. I just think he has a particular aim to take down egalitarians and evangelize them all back to complementarian. I just want him...

@th3muse @ryancduff I think that Mike has made significant contributions, the vast majority of which I agree with him on. I just think he has a particular aim to take down egalitarians and evangelize

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@ryancduff Yeah, I was actually kind of shocked by this statement from Mike. I watched it several times looking for some hint that he might have been speaking to a small extreme group that was perhaps slandering complementarians. It seems he wants me...

@ryancduff Yeah, I was actually kind of shocked by this statement from Mike. I watched it several times looking for some hint that he might have been speaking to a small extreme group that was perhaps

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@Markbhere2 @MikeWingerii I also appreciate Mike Winger. And I also agree with him on the vast majority of what he says. This issue is different and I’m not sure why. He does not treat egalitarians with the same grace and respect he treats others. An...

@Markbhere2 @MikeWingerii I also appreciate Mike Winger. And I also agree with him on the vast majority of what he says. This issue is different and I’m not sure why. He does not treat egalitarians wi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@OK_JayW @tracygrubbs @MikeWingerii Where is the verse that says that godly wome

@OK_JayW @tracygrubbs @MikeWingerii Where is the verse that says that godly women teaching or pastoring is a sin? Where is it in any list of sins?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@JustinH31123559 You are welcome! I really want to bring peace to this issue, so

@JustinH31123559 You are welcome! I really want to bring peace to this issue, so I'm trying hard to fairly represent Mike on his points and highlight the inconsistencies. I really hope it helps the br

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@CharmyRosewolf He does encourage people to check him and says several times tha

@CharmyRosewolf He does encourage people to check him and says several times that he is not the authority, but it sure doesn't seem this way in his conclusions. The last video made this really clear t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@mvpompa @ryancduff Again, it's about calling for wisdom and grace for those who

@mvpompa @ryancduff Again, it's about calling for wisdom and grace for those who are trying to figure out how to apply complementarian and patriarchal views, not for dealing with egalitarians.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

@mvpompa @ryancduff Mike's concern for wisdom and grace seems to be related to what he refers to as 'the difficult questions,' ie. whether a mom can continue to teach her now adult son, or whether a woman can teach on a Wednesday evening meeting, or ...

@mvpompa @ryancduff Mike's concern for wisdom and grace seems to be related to what he refers to as 'the difficult questions,' ie. whether a mom can continue to teach her now adult son, or whether a w

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@mvpompa First, he said it was a secondary issue. You only repent of sins. If I

@mvpompa First, he said it was a secondary issue. You only repent of sins. If I sincerely hold to a conviction based on scripture that the Bible doesn’t restrict women and that there is no hierarchy o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@FSkinsuit @rachallison1 100% not ignoring Scripture.

@FSkinsuit @rachallison1 100% not ignoring Scripture.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

@RealKiraDavis Care to hear an egalitarian response? https://t.co/qtZ7AtuyBE

@RealKiraDavis Care to hear an egalitarian response? https://t.co/qtZ7AtuyBE

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

This is a secondary issue and therefore, it should be treated as secondary, and

This is a secondary issue and therefore, it should be treated as secondary, and Mike has unfortunately not handled this issue in a gracious manner towards egalitarians. /105

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make

Mike speaks to women pastors who he advises to step down, to honour God, to make the required change, and respond to what God has revealed through his extensive video series. [4:16:00] /102

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Egalitarians are appealing to scripture. The only thing that they are throwing u

Egalitarians are appealing to scripture. The only thing that they are throwing under the bus is the idea that the Bible teaches there is authority hierarchy between male and female. And that is on scr

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

To call it sin without evidence of a sin is actually forcing his own conscience

To call it sin without evidence of a sin is actually forcing his own conscience onto others. He is holding back women and is therefore himself part of the problem. People wonder why there are not more

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike himself admits he leans more towards freedom in practice which is more egal

Mike himself admits he leans more towards freedom in practice which is more egalitarian, yet he believes egals are doing great harm. He doesn't like how egals view comp control. He feels that the wor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Can a woman not speak with authority that if you repent and believe the gospel,

Can a woman not speak with authority that if you repent and believe the gospel, you will be saved? Does she have to continually defer to a pastor for such things? We have to think about what that spea

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an

Mike says, “women should be involved in everything that isn’t functioning as an elder does in teaching authority” [4:06:43] /90

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, "there’s one thing a woman cannot do…is be a man” [4:03:20] Mike see

Mike says, "there’s one thing a woman cannot do…is be a man” [4:03:20] Mike sees man and elder as equal, that man is special creation at least when it comes to this life. He has no real explanation f

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike lists a bunch of influential Biblical women acknowledging that they were ve

Mike lists a bunch of influential Biblical women acknowledging that they were very influential but then says that influence is not the same as Eldership. He says that women should teach and lead but

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says “I don’t think husbands are to be seen as the priest of their wives” [

Mike says “I don’t think husbands are to be seen as the priest of their wives” [3:54:52] While this is a great point, in practice he makes husbands as the decision makers⎯the final decision makers⎯in

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practi

Seems to me that men are responsible for women feeling restricted. Paul’s practice was never to restrict a godly woman. Instead, Paul restricted false teaching, never true teaching. /84

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says, “There is room for disagreement here and Rom 14 applies, should have

Mike says, “There is room for disagreement here and Rom 14 applies, should have tolerance for those who disagree” [3:40:35] Mike is speaking to complementarians, of course b/c "they are trying to ple

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

So Mike leans towards egalitarian practice because he is worried about the negat

So Mike leans towards egalitarian practice because he is worried about the negative side effects of complementarian and patriarchal tendencies to limit women. How ironic. /74

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that his bias is to lean on more of the liberty side of things as he i

Mike says that his bias is to lean on more of the liberty side of things as he is concerned that women will end up weak because they won’t do theology or practice praying publicly or teaching etc. [3:

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike asks, "what about women leading in prayer? As long as it is done in a way t

Mike asks, "what about women leading in prayer? As long as it is done in a way that is not 'elderly like'" [3:22:47] Well Mike has a problem here, because if a woman can prophecy, is he going to limi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Now isn't this interesting! So he is admitting that one of the impacts of comps

Now isn't this interesting! So he is admitting that one of the impacts of comps is that women don't get practice if they are afraid of sinning by speaking, teaching, praying publicly, or spiritually l

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that he is worried about theologically weak women who don’t talk about

Mike says that he is worried about theologically weak women who don’t talk about theology because they are scared to violate scripture. He wants them to talk about it and teach each other just not act

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their reade

I'm not sure what this looks like. Usually, authors are appealing to their readers to try to convince them, not to take authority over them, because they may not even know them or their circumstances.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on th

Mike gives an example of a large crowd evangelism event where the focus is on the speaker "and them speaking authoritatively," saying that this should not be done by women. Seems to overlap into elder

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

For him it seems to come down to simply acting the part of an elder which he doe

For him it seems to come down to simply acting the part of an elder which he doesn't fully define. If teaching theology, then don't do it with authority; if correcting, then speak what you think but t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says a woman can informally teach men theology, correct them, post somethin

Mike says a woman can informally teach men theology, correct them, post something to correct on social media, etc. He says that since Priscilla did it, then it's ok. [2:57:00] Mike keeps narrowing d

1Ti 2:12 commentary
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike asks, "Sunday school? Fine - not teaching men." Mike adds, "Food ministry?

Mike asks, "Sunday school? Fine - not teaching men." Mike adds, "Food ministry? Fine - nothing like elder role." /57

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike asks whether a woman can be an usher, etc. Mike says yes, because it is not

Mike asks whether a woman can be an usher, etc. Mike says yes, because it is nothing like what an elder does. That instructing someone how to get involved in a ministry is not teaching scripture ‘auth

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should

Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should reserve the title only for positions you believe woman cannot have. /54

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His rea

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His reasons are because: 1. Pheobe was one 2. 1Ti 3:11 "Wives" a. No qual for elder's wives in first part of 1Ti 3 b. Many

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

I think scripturally a deacon should be reserved for leaders, not just volunteer

I think scripturally a deacon should be reserved for leaders, not just volunteers. Otherwise, I'd be inclined to agree with Mike on this point as it does confuse people to think that pastor is above a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "e

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "elders" and "deacons" so there is a 1-to-1 mapping with scripture. Mike suggests that everyone serving in some capacity c

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God orda

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God ordained role for her whole life with no criticism. Seems Mike goes on his feelings here, because “president” is not on the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems to show that women can be in the highest position of authority, but rarely and not ideally (in his opinion). Mike seems

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

So although Mike agrees that a woman can lead and correct a king and judge matte

So although Mike agrees that a woman can lead and correct a king and judge matters of doctrine and settle disputes over anyone in Israel, somehow that still makes her less of an authority than a husba

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never criticized or said to be in sin for her position. This is really noteworthy! So if we take Mike’s comments about Debo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Yes, just like any other comp and patriarchalist, they all come out slightly dif

Yes, just like any other comp and patriarchalist, they all come out slightly diff't in their views and occupy points on a spectrum. Mike says later that comps should have grace with one another allowi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike doesn’t want to call himself a soft comp any more, just “comp leaning to th

Mike doesn’t want to call himself a soft comp any more, just “comp leaning to the soft side"⎯ he wants to differentiate from those who think it’s only about the home and the role of elders and not als

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female su

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female submission in marriage. Pillar 2⃣: Elders’ positions and functions are for men only. Pillar 3⃣: women’s status as image be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater auth

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater authority: “You should not think of this as a way to degrade women and think of them as less, but to treat them with underst

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike says that women will inherit the authority of sons and will be full heirs.

Mike says that women will inherit the authority of sons and will be full heirs. [1:22:35] I recall him saying elsewhere that he thinks that the roles we are playing here on earth are temporary, and t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

This is quite an admission! This then means that a comp can be fully equivalent

This is quite an admission! This then means that a comp can be fully equivalent in practice to an egalitarian simply by the husband deciding not to force his will and way. In this way, he can be comp

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women are called “despots” who also manage the home. Mike uses this to show that he believes women also have some authority.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-03

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from t

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from the pulpit or pastor as long as they are under a male head, but I don’t believe he thinks that as to Mike, it is about be

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