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@Keith_J_Gaddy @ronhenzel What's out of context? Did I say that Timothy was all 3 or how he is to select elders and deacons applies to him? BTW, the text in 1 Tim 3:14 literally uses the singular "you." So if you have another explanation that fits t...

@Keith_J_Gaddy @ronhenzel What's out of context? Did I say that Timothy was all 3 or how he is to select elders and deacons applies to him? BTW, the text in 1 Tim 3:14 literally uses the singular "yo

1 Tim 3:14 commentary

@JollyStine @ronhenzel I agree with a lot of what you are writing, but I don't think this is about withholding sex or that it is necessarily the teaching of Hymenaeus and Alexander. Tasking a young single pastor like Timothy to tell married women to...

@JollyStine @ronhenzel I agree with a lot of what you are writing, but I don't think this is about withholding sex or that it is necessarily the teaching of Hymenaeus and Alexander. Tasking a young s

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii "holding forth"? I think I know what the problem is...you and many others feel that the job of the pastor is to be authoritative. I think you got the w...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii "holding forth"? I think I know what the problem is...you and many others feel that the job of the pa

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii It does not say "an elder must not be a woman"! The only pastor mentioned is Jesus and Him calling Peter to shepherd His sheep. Only two are explicitly ...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii It does not say "an elder must not be a woman"! The only pastor mentioned is Jesus and Him calling Pet

@TimothyMHurst @pastherandie @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii This is not correct. It doesn't even say "If any man desires to be an overseer..." It says "if anyone/someone desires to be an overseer." There are not ...

@TimothyMHurst @pastherandie @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii This is not correct. It doesn't even say "If any man desires to be an overseer..." It says "if anyone/

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Tim, its a letter from Paul to Timothy... it's literally in the text... “Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus according to the commandment of God our Savio...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Tim, its a letter from Paul to Timothy... it's literally in the text... “Paul, an apostle of Christ J

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Silence? Imagined reasons? Huh?

@pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@pastherandie @TimothyMHurst @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii 1 Tim 5:9 has it in the reverse, "one husband wife" or ἑνὸς ἀνδρὸς γυνή.

1 Tim 5:9 general

@TimothyMHurst @TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Yes, the term "one wife husband" and the corollary "one husband wife" in 1 Tim 5:9 are both intended to mean "faithful, if married" or "faithful to one'...

@TimothyMHurst @TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Yes, the term "one wife husband" and the corollary "one husband wife" in 1 Tim 5:9 are both intended t

1 Tim 5:9 question

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I would say that if y

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I would say that if you would like to do math, then do math. Here we are exegeting scripture, dealing with language that can be used in diffe

@ronhenzel @johnnylately There's a modern feminist movement that is more about f

@ronhenzel @johnnylately There's a modern feminist movement that is more about female supremacy. In order not to be confused with that, I would rather stick with egalitarian. Thanks for your understan

@VincereMalum @ronhenzel Pretty sure I'm mostly doing exegesis, but you are enti

@VincereMalum @ronhenzel Pretty sure I'm mostly doing exegesis, but you are entitled to your opinion. I'm also doing my best to bring in all the details in the context and an exegesis that makes the

@cjonesaudio @paulogia0 I use my brain A LOT as a Christian. Critical thinking i

@cjonesaudio @paulogia0 I use my brain A LOT as a Christian. Critical thinking is extremely important to me. Your entire premise depends on the non-existence of souls. Sure you want to wager that one

@TheMuppetPastor I’ve seen this before too. So frustrating!!

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Cor 14:36 question

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are quoting from 1 Cor 14:34-35 without noticing that Paul has been responding to things the Corinthians previously wrote to him. Just after this, Paul says, “...

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are quoting from 1 Cor 14:34-35 without noticing that Paul has been responding to things the Corinthians prev

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_r

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I am. That's why I'm out here correcting those of you who struggle to read the Bible in context. Then I'll go ch

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@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Where is "role" in scripture exactly? I'm not referring to mother/father differences. When it comes to leadership, since God said to both that they should rule in ...

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Where is "role" in scripture exactly? I'm not referring to mother/father differences. When it comes to leadership

Gen 1:28 debate

@ronhenzel @johnnylately Ok, so in the churches Paul and the apostles oversaw, women were teaching and pastoring along with men, then there were 19 centuries of suppression of women, and we have finally now realized our error and are correcting back ...

@ronhenzel @johnnylately Ok, so in the churches Paul and the apostles oversaw, women were teaching and pastoring along with men, then there were 19 centuries of suppression of women, and we have final

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Sure. No magic wands required. Just careful attention to the details in the text and the context and purpose of the letter. Paul says "I do not permit"...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Sure. No magic wands required. Just careful attention to the details in the text and the context and p

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie No, I have no problem teaching solely from the book of 1 Timothy and proving that what you just stated is a foreign idea complementarians and patriachalists are inserting into this text. See ...

@Son_of_James_ @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie No, I have no problem teaching solely from the book of 1 Timothy and proving that what you just stated is a foreign idea complementarians and

@Jim7699 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel Paul could have made this more clear by saying something like "an elder must not be a woman" or "women must only teach other women." Paul's statement isn't vague as he already told us his purpose which was for Timothy t...

@Jim7699 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel Paul could have made this more clear by saying something like "an elder must not be a woman" or "women must only teach other women." Paul's statement isn't vague as he a

@pastherandie @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@pastherandie @TBush1689 @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii Perhaps he thinks that he is the authority on this because he is a man?

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii On basis do you conclude this? Surely you are not referring to 1 Tim 3:1–13, which has no male pronouns, nowhere, says “must not be a woman”, and even s...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii On basis do you conclude this? Surely you are not referring to 1 Tim 3:1–13, which has no male pronoun

1 Tim 3:1 question

@pastherandie @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii That is right! There’s no need to appeal to someone’s authority, their PhD, if they had one or the lengthy nature of their published work. One simply needs to consider the reasons behind their conclusions, ...

@pastherandie @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii That is right! There’s no need to appeal to someone’s authority, their PhD, if they had one or the lengthy nature of their published work. One simply needs

1 Cor 11:1-16 1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-15 general

@DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I taught all the following in four 1.5hr sessions: Gen 1-3, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13. The only reason @MikeWingerii needed 11 1/2 hours for this single passage in first Ti...

@DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I taught all the following in four 1.5hr sessions: Gen 1-3, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13. The only reason @MikeWingerii neede

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii This is a particularly sticky situation. Timothy is being asked by Paul to intervene to stop a wife from teaching false auction when her husband who is ...

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii This is a particularly sticky situation. Timothy is being asked by Paul to intervene to stop a wife fr

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii “You can’t teach” is speaking of Andie?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 general

@DiscoverJesus3 @tchadwinder @ronhenzel 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is brea

@DiscoverJesus3 @tchadwinder @ronhenzel 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the ma

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @Doctrinesof

@TBush1689 @pastherandie @Ashwin_Vengayil @TimothyMHurst @DaxEverts @DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii What?? Are you suggesting that no women have the ability or capacity to teach? Surely I’m misreading y

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel But don't despair...we've got these minority texts too! Careful reading and reflection of these texts by taking all the details in their context including the grammar and they become clear that it's not about restricting godly wo...

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel But don't despair...we've got these minority texts too! Careful reading and reflection of these texts by taking all the details in their context including the grammar and they bec

@DiscoverJesus3 @pastherandie @ronhenzel I appreciate your encouragement here. J

@DiscoverJesus3 @pastherandie @ronhenzel I appreciate your encouragement here. Just remember that we came to know Jesus through His revelation in scripture. This is about correctly handling His Word.

@ronhenzel Ron, why do you quote John 10:19 out of context? What is the dissensi

@ronhenzel Ron, why do you quote John 10:19 out of context? What is the dissension about? Something that is not a sin like women in leadership? Or is it that Jesus is claiming to have the authority to

John 10:19 debate

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The parallels are discrimination and quenching of

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The parallels are discrimination and quenching of the Spirit’s work. Complementarians are discriminatory. They just believe that God wants them to be. “Some humans are

Complementarians: Your MEN are being discriminated against! 👉Women get to receive the teaching gifts of the Holy Spirit through both men and women, but the men are only allowed to receive from other men. 😡You should be outraged! Why is God so pre...

Complementarians: Your MEN are being discriminated against! 👉Women get to receive the teaching gifts of the Holy Spirit through both men and women, but the men are only allowed to receive from other

@pauldirks @AngelaGraceLOU @KaeleyT Yes and no matter how much overlap there is, women are not to be elders because it violates a God ordained order, right? In the end, I think you try to validate the view of a God-ordained gender role hierarchy by l...

@pauldirks @AngelaGraceLOU @KaeleyT Yes and no matter how much overlap there is, women are not to be elders because it violates a God ordained order, right? In the end, I think you try to validate the

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant I won’t speak for Will, but I want to be clear that I’m not inferring at all that you are racist. The parallels are in immutable features resulting in discrimination, not actual ability or desire. I do think that compl...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant I won’t speak for Will, but I want to be clear that I’m not inferring at all that you are racist. The parallels are in immutable features resulting in discrimination, no

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The way that they are the same is that skin color and your sex are things you are born with and can’t change. These immutable characteristics are not things that prevent someone from leading, teaching, or whatever task ...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant The way that they are the same is that skin color and your sex are things you are born with and can’t change. These immutable characteristics are not things that prevent

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Who is saying that a man has to be the woman of the house? You are presuming your view in how you frame your response. We aren’t saying men are women, but there is significant overlap in our responsibilities. Both my w...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Who is saying that a man has to be the woman of the house? You are presuming your view in how you frame your response. We aren’t saying men are women, but there is sign

@Read_Fast_ Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is something so egregious that there is no forgiveness. Rather, I would say it is more quenching the Spirit. I feel it when a pastor tells me I can never be on the leadership team because I’m egalitarian or n...

@Read_Fast_ Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is something so egregious that there is no forgiveness. Rather, I would say it is more *quenching* the Spirit. I feel it when a pastor tells me I can never be o

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-15 Tit 1:5-9 debate

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can take work to undo the stuff we’ve been told is Biblic...

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can tak

@KimberleeJayneW Often, complementarians complain saying “feminists are selfish and just want their way” while then advising people to leave a church that has a female pastor showing that they want their way. It’s a pity that it all comes down to a m...

@KimberleeJayneW Often, complementarians complain saying “feminists are selfish and just want their way” while then advising people to leave a church that has a female pastor showing that they want th

@KimberleeJayneW Recommending people to leave their church if they have a female pastor is not divisive? If half the church left, that’s not dividing the body? I’m egalitarian and I have no problem attending and supporting a complementarian church ...

@KimberleeJayneW Recommending people to leave their church if they have a female pastor is not divisive? If half the church left, that’s not dividing the body? I’m egalitarian and I have no problem

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning If you want to call following the scripture pitiful then so be it. I’d rather be pitiful to some than disobedient to God. Also, you seem to have come around to now a...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning If you want to call following the scripture pitiful then so be it. I’d rather be pitiful to some than disobedient to

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@DodgeDeepState @_nomadic_soul I have a pastor friend who said something similar

@DodgeDeepState @_nomadic_soul I have a pastor friend who said something similar—that the husband is uniquely to emulate Christ, and the wife, the church. But Phil 2:3-8 is not only for males! https:/

Phil 2:3-8 debate

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning No, Paul writes a personal letter to Timothy to deal with “certain people” with the understanding that those who are ignorant and deceived “receive mercy.” So in a wa...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning No, Paul writes a personal letter to Timothy to deal with “certain people” with the understanding that those who are

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are already clearly wrong when you used plain English and came up with the wrong interpretation of Matt 18:20. Is Jesus there with 1, like when Paul was in priso...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are already clearly wrong when you used plain English and came up with the wrong interpretation of Matt 18:20.

Matt 18:20 debate

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning By gendered roles I mean only males can occupy leadership and teaching roles over the whole congregation and the husband has to be the authority over his wife. Those ...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning By gendered roles I mean only males can occupy leadership and teaching roles over the whole congregation and the hus

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronn

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning “…there’s no prophecy in the Bible” 🤔

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning No, people in the pulpits. God’s word being taught. The church edifying each other. No priestly class, except the priesthood of all believers. The Bible being underst...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning No, people in the pulpits. God’s word being taught. The church edifying each other. No priestly class, except the pr

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes only one man or woman can speak at a time because while we all have two ears, we only have the ability to listen to one at a time. If your argument is ‘a woman’ ...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes only one man or woman can speak at a time because while we all have two ears, we only have the ability to listen