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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@FitoPadillaVera Thanks for interacting with my breakdown of Josh’s message and your characterization of my approach. Being open to dialogue is great! I recognize complementarians want to Biblical. Yes, I could switch to Gal 3:26-28, but I think we...

@FitoPadillaVera Thanks for interacting with my breakdown of Josh’s message and your characterization of my approach. Being open to dialogue is great! I recognize complementarians want to Biblical.

Gal 3:26-28 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel It doesn’t have to say for men to submit to women be

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel It doesn’t have to say for men to submit to women because it applies to all. Of course not in the way that husbands and wives submit to each other (for the equal authority

1Co 7:4 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@JoshuaSethSchu1 Maybe this is a good argument for female pastors. Think about t

@JoshuaSethSchu1 Maybe this is a good argument for female pastors. Think about the only avenue women have for counseling from a pastor is from a man.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@theBaxterian @carol66944 @ronhenzel The text doesn’t have to tell husbands to submit to their wives because the general statement is made to all believers. Just because the husband is the kephale doesn’t mean he has authority over his wife. In fact...

@theBaxterian @carol66944 @ronhenzel The text doesn’t have to tell husbands to submit to their wives because the general statement is made to all believers. Just because the husband is the kephale do

1Co 7:4 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@PuritanD71 @ronhenzel Jesus definitely subjects Himself to do what is in our best interest! How is it that you don’t know this? “… just as Christ loved the church and *gave himself up for her* to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with wat...

@PuritanD71 @ronhenzel Jesus definitely subjects Himself to do what is in our best interest! How is it that you don’t know this? “… just as Christ loved the church and *gave himself up for her* to ma

Eph 5:25-27 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@ronhenzel Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every man should submit himsel

@ronhenzel Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every man should submit himself to every woman in the church like he does to his wife (or vice versa)! That doesn’t mean that a husband ranks above h

debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel I realize that’s the common story. But v22 cannot be saying something that contradicts mutual submission. It’s leveling up how wives are submitting—rather than out of duty like a slave, willingly like to Christ. V23-24 are...

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel I realize that’s the common story. But v22 cannot be saying something that contradicts mutual submission. It’s leveling up how wives are submitting—rather than out of duty

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@JamMom89 @QueenBubie01 In that case, Jesus explained to all His disciples—by Hi

@JamMom89 @QueenBubie01 In that case, Jesus explained to all His disciples—by His authority—what they are to do. They are all without distinction to go into all the world making disciples and teaching

Mat 28:18-20 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@Sacred_Panda_ You can’t have Jesus and Paul eliminating hierarchy and rank by s

@Sacred_Panda_ You can’t have Jesus and Paul eliminating hierarchy and rank by saying that the highest are the lowest of slaves and Ave your cake of being the highest in the marriage—by being served l

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@jontheharris @carol66944 @ronhenzel That’s rediculous. Think about it. Do you b

@jontheharris @carol66944 @ronhenzel That’s rediculous. Think about it. Do you believe you are to lay your life down for your wife as Christ did for His church? Isn’t that the ultimate form of submis

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@Sacred_Panda_ Thanks for providing the definition! Yes, Paul is using this term to declare that all believers are to treat all other believers in a preferential manner. Just because a word is used in the context of military rank and hierarchy does n...

@Sacred_Panda_ Thanks for providing the definition! Yes, Paul is using this term to declare that all believers are to treat all other believers in a preferential manner. Just because a word is used in

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel So the situation that wives found themselves in at that time has nothing to do with why Paul especially addressed wives? Given Paul’s inclusive statements for all to serve each other, that we are to mimic Christ and Jesus’ o...

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel So the situation that wives found themselves in at that time has nothing to do with why Paul especially addressed wives? Given Paul’s inclusive statements for all to serve ea

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel In other words, this was an elimination of hierarchy or

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel In other words, this was an elimination of hierarchy or rank. It elevated these lowly wives to serve their husbands in the same manner that they were to serve their wives.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@Sacred_Panda_ There is no command for husbands to take authority over their wiv

@Sacred_Panda_ There is no command for husbands to take authority over their wives nor is there a command that wives are not to lead. Co-leading is not a contradiction (unless you preclude it by your

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel “relationships in the church” So how are Christians to treat one ano

@ronhenzel “relationships in the church” So how are Christians to treat one another once they step outside the Sunday meeting place? What if those two same Christians stepped into their home which th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel Paul’s subject doesn’t change from Eph 5:21 just because the focus we

@ronhenzel Paul’s subject doesn’t change from Eph 5:21 just because the focus went to specific concerns with the way husbands and wives were treating each other. I haven’t dodged anything. Isn’t clai

Eph 5:21 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel Excellent observation. Given wives were already being treated as property and slaves of their husbands, what do you think Paul’s intent was here? I think it was to elevate how they saw their service. Rather than a position o...

@ReformedCaio @ronhenzel Excellent observation. Given wives were already being treated as property and slaves of their husbands, what do you think Paul’s intent was here? I think it was to elevate ho

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@BrandonGra53760 @ronhenzel If you see headship as a slave role then I have no p

@BrandonGra53760 @ronhenzel If you see headship as a slave role then I have no problems with your form of headship!

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel Eph 5:21 is clear: the subjecting is one to another (in a reciprocal manner) and includes all in the body. Phil 2:3—spoken to all including husbands—is very clear that you are to treat others, including your wife, as more important than y...

@ronhenzel Eph 5:21 is clear: the subjecting is one to another (in a reciprocal manner) and includes all in the body. Phil 2:3—spoken to all including husbands—is very clear that you are to treat oth

Eph 5:21 Phil 2:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel Paul didn’t need to write this to husbands as he said it to everyone.

@ronhenzel Paul didn’t need to write this to husbands as he said it to everyone. Does Phil 2 not apply to you? How do you treat your wife as *more important* than yourself? Doesn’t this mean to submi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel T Wives submitting does not preclude husbands also submitting (Eph 5

@ronhenzel T Wives submitting does not preclude husbands also submitting (Eph 5:21, Phil 2).

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel Yes, true, wives submit. No disagreement there. And now tell me why

@ronhenzel Yes, true, wives submit. No disagreement there. And now tell me why husbands do not also submit? Did you read anywhere that commands husbands *not* to submit? Eph 5:21 and Phil 2.

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@JohnWil71685113 @howertonjosh I’m always curious why people understand that men are not to cover their heads but women are. I cover 1Co 11:3 in the attached post. The problem is that we read head and understand it to mean authority over. If Paul me...

@JohnWil71685113 @howertonjosh I’m always curious why people understand that men are not to cover their heads but women are. I cover 1Co 11:3 in the attached post. The problem is that we read head an

1Co 11:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@DeeGoingsGirl Thanks for reading! I feared it was too long for most. I already

@DeeGoingsGirl Thanks for reading! I feared it was too long for most. I already got a request from someone who attends Josh’s church to do the same thing for his first message in the series.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@amandafromtx @Naddildeaux Hm. I personally don’t see a problem with those jeans

@amandafromtx @Naddildeaux Hm. I personally don’t see a problem with those jeans. They look normal to me. He’s not the type to wear a suit as is the case for most of these young hip “relevant” preache

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@amandafromtx @chris2_0R To be honest, he talks like someone who is immature, sh

@amandafromtx @chris2_0R To be honest, he talks like someone who is immature, shooting from the hip as it gets reactions or is fun (in his view) rather than getting feedback from a wise older pastor o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@amandafromtx @shelt27467831 Ugh! Nothing like transparency to show that they are acting above board. Even my small sub 200 person church used the same tactic to avoid having to explain the real reasons why they let the associate pastor go. Supposedl...

@amandafromtx @shelt27467831 Ugh! Nothing like transparency to show that they are acting above board. Even my small sub 200 person church used the same tactic to avoid having to explain the real reaso

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@Altheia_01 @howertonjosh Complementarian theology feeds pride. I’m just hoping

@Altheia_01 @howertonjosh Complementarian theology feeds pride. I’m just hoping more of those caught into this theology thinking it is Jesus’ intent will see that it is not.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@DMurzea Hm. Maybe I haven’t heard enough of his sermons, but for a complementarian preach, I didn’t think this was too bad. I clearly disagreed with many of his arguments (especially their one sidedness), but to be fair, he did say some very good th...

@DMurzea Hm. Maybe I haven’t heard enough of his sermons, but for a complementarian preach, I didn’t think this was too bad. I clearly disagreed with many of his arguments (especially their one sidedn

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@Altheia_01 @howertonjosh Yes! Exactly! I’m surprised Josh doesn’t acknowledge t

@Altheia_01 @howertonjosh Yes! Exactly! I’m surprised Josh doesn’t acknowledge this but it’s likely because of the same overliteralization that is driving his complementarian theology.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh Finally, @howertonjosh I think this was a pretty good message for a complementarian. You said a few rough things and made it seem to me that egalitarians are worldly and unbiblical, but overall, if I had a complementarian friend, I thin...

@howertonjosh Finally, @howertonjosh I think this was a pretty good message for a complementarian. You said a few rough things and made it seem to me that egalitarians are worldly and unbiblical, but

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh [36:31] “She respects him with prose—this is words. … Whatever you say about your husband, his heart will begin to believe ‘she’s right.’ …Don’t focus on [his struggles], focus on the 1 area in his life where you see evidence of grace…”...

@howertonjosh [36:31] “She respects him with prose—this is words. … Whatever you say about your husband, his heart will begin to believe ‘she’s right.’ …Don’t focus on [his struggles], focus on the 1

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh The key he is actually stating is not that the wife prioritizes he

@howertonjosh The key he is actually stating is not that the wife prioritizes her husband and he simply basks in being prioritized (though he seems to suggest this as she’s calling him king), but that

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh “A Christian wife respects her husband (Eph 5:33). …You respect hi

@howertonjosh “A Christian wife respects her husband (Eph 5:33). …You respect him by giving him the appropriate place in your life (one flesh priority). …in general, husbands are going to prioritize t

Eph 5:33 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh Josh continues… “Ladies, you have a higher calling than neck. Prov 12:4, a wife of Nobel character is not his neck but his crown. …You will either be the crown on his head or you will be the cancer in his bones.” [32:33] He is not wron...

@howertonjosh Josh continues… “Ladies, you have a higher calling than neck. Prov 12:4, a wife of Nobel character is not his neck but his crown. …You will either be the crown on his head or you will be

Prov 12:4 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@howertonjosh [31:14] “There’s a line in the movie [My Big Fat Greek Wedding] where one of the ladies says ‘the husband is the head, but the wife is the neck. She can turn him any way she wants.’ Now, kinda funny, but also kind of demonic, little dem...

@howertonjosh [31:14] “There’s a line in the movie [My Big Fat Greek Wedding] where one of the ladies says ‘the husband is the head, but the wife is the neck. She can turn him any way she wants.’ Now,

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

[30:48] “Husbands, are you seeing a theme? I want to bless and protect my wife.

[30:48] “Husbands, are you seeing a theme? I want to bless and protect my wife. In all those things, Janet might say I disagree but there’s moments I’ll defer.” Yes and this is because he is serving

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

Josh then gives 4 examples from his marriage where he overrides his wife. But ea

Josh then gives 4 examples from his marriage where he overrides his wife. But each of these examples is doing exactly what Eph 5:21 says—serving her best interests and not his own. If those are the o

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“A wife submitting to her husband is honouring his role as the loving head of th

“A wife submitting to her husband is honouring his role as the loving head of the family and taking a posture that acknowledges, encourages and follows his leadership in both words and actions as the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“The whole reason God gave her to you as a helper is cause you need her voice… H

“The whole reason God gave her to you as a helper is cause you need her voice… Husbands, do not be surprised when your helper starts helping.” [24:16] This is good, though it presumes only one is a h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“You should submit like Jesus submitted to His head, God the Father in Gethsemen

“You should submit like Jesus submitted to His head, God the Father in Gethsemene.” [23:50] This arrangement has the woman playing the part of “the human” and the husband the part of “God” and is why

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

This certainly applies to the military. But why does he think that in the church

This certainly applies to the military. But why does he think that in the church and the home there’s rank? Jesus spoke directly to this: “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and s

Mk 9:35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

[22:55] “In the military, there is this concept of salute the uniform…respect th

[22:55] “In the military, there is this concept of salute the uniform…respect the rank. …But there’s a type of order you are never to submit to, an unlawful order… You might be my head, but Jesus is m

debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

Howerton—frantically waving his arms—then makes a list of important caveats (“for the internet” 😂), some of which are necessary for comps to state. He believes women can be CEOs but at home, the husband is the boss. Not all comps believe this! My t...

Howerton—frantically waving his arms—then makes a list of important caveats (“for the internet” 😂), some of which are necessary for comps to state. He believes women can be CEOs but at home, the husb

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“What’s your headship to look like? I’m willing to die for your blessing, protec

“What’s your headship to look like? I’m willing to die for your blessing, protection and flourishing” [19:26]. This is a nice framing for a complementarian, but being willing to die for some future o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

This idea that kephale means “authority over” is not a foregone conclusion. In f

This idea that kephale means “authority over” is not a foregone conclusion. In fact, complementarian commentator Leon Morris makes this very observation in his commentary on 1Co 11:3 👇 /23 https://t.c

1Co 11:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

The passage he reads from says “of which He is the Savior” but he doesn’t seem t

The passage he reads from says “of which He is the Savior” but he doesn’t seem to note the significance of this is relation to the head metaphor (kephale). This is all about Jesus as the source of li

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“A Christian wife is submissive to her husband” [17:29]. “My goal is not to take us back 70 years to the 50s but 2000 years to the Bible.” 👏 (then reads starting at Eph 5:22…) Uh, if Josh *TRULY* wants to be Biblical, then why didn’t he read Eph 5:...

“A Christian wife is submissive to her husband” [17:29]. “My goal is not to take us back 70 years to the 50s but 2000 years to the Bible.” 👏 (then reads starting at Eph 5:22…) Uh, if Josh *TRULY* wa

Eph 5:21 Eph 5:22 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

“You are not responsible for someone else’s sin or folly, but…consider the possi

“You are not responsible for someone else’s sin or folly, but…consider the possibility his failing could in part be attributed to your failing as his helper” [16:26]. Josh, it goes both ways! The ov

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

*BOTH* the wife and the husband can become a hindrance and not a helper to each

*BOTH* the wife and the husband can become a hindrance and not a helper to each other. This seems so obvious. /18 https://t.co/B0Glk2t94w

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