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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-09

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Again, you presume things: 1. That equal opportunity must mean we should see equal representation of M/F 2. That the NT explicitly names all pastors/elders 3. That God designates leadership to b...

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Again, you presume things: 1. That equal opportunity must mean we should see equal representation of M/F 2. That the NT explicitly names all pas

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-09

@Robert_S_Morley @Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals “He will rule over you” isn’t a curse though. It’s a prophecy. God didn’t say, “I will make sure that he rules over you” nor did He say to Adam “you must rule over your wife” to show He gave Adam...

@Robert_S_Morley @Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals “He will rule over you” isn’t a curse though. It’s a prophecy. God didn’t say, “I will make sure that he rules over you” nor did He say to Adam “

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Oh boy, Grumpy. Are you suggesting that as Jesus is the Lord and master that the husband is the lord and master over his wife? Because that's not Paul's argument here. Paul's argument is to agai...

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Oh boy, Grumpy. Are you suggesting that as Jesus is the Lord and master that the husband is the lord and master over his wife? Because that's not

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Where is a slave’s preach

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Where is a slave’s preaching highlighted? Where is a slave called an elder or pastor? The same questions you ask of women can be asked of slaves

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals I agree, God is not progressive. Yet there are some things that changed in the church like the divide between Jew and Gentile and yes, between male and female. No one is saying that it has to be 50/50. It’s not ...

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals I agree, God is not progressive. Yet there are some things that changed in the church like the divide between Jew and Gentile and yes, between male and female. N

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals No my grumpy friend. Paul was counter cult

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals No my grumpy friend. Paul was counter cultural. This passage is Paul’s personal instruction to Timothy whom he left behind to deal with the false teachers about h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@ronhenzel @smashbaals Well, all but the churches in scripture. But you are right. The church really was influenced by the culture. Let’s see just how culturally relevant your view is: Aristotle: “Silence is a woman’s glory.” Sophocles: "Silence gi...

@ronhenzel @smashbaals Well, all but the churches in scripture. But you are right. The church really was influenced by the culture. Let’s see just how culturally relevant your view is: Aristotle: “Si

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-05

@DanJRossOne @smashbaals Did Daniel enact or press to enact laws to mandate wors

@DanJRossOne @smashbaals Did Daniel enact or press to enact laws to mandate worship of the God of the Bible? No. But Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did resist being forced to disobey God. And when G

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-03

@EvansWalt_human @smashbaals I don’t recall Jesus and the apostles running the g

@EvansWalt_human @smashbaals I don’t recall Jesus and the apostles running the government and making all the laws Christian either. They got killed for proclaiming Christ and not forcibly making the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-03

@smashbaals Imagine if Jesus and the apostles had only figured this one out, the

@smashbaals Imagine if Jesus and the apostles had only figured this one out, they wouldn’t have all gotten martyred.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-30

@EkIesou @smashbaals It is correct to say that ‘a woman’ can either refer to a specific woman/wife or a generic woman/wife. The way we determine which it is is by the context. Paul’s reference to Adam and Eve as a prototypical couple and the “She…the...

@EkIesou @smashbaals It is correct to say that ‘a woman’ can either refer to a specific woman/wife or a generic woman/wife. The way we determine which it is is by the context. Paul’s reference to Adam

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-30

@smashbaals If you are this careless in exegeting scripture, I’m worried about you. 1. All women are not barred from preaching. 1Ti 2:12 doesn’t say anything about preaching, refers to “a woman” (singular) and not all women, in context has to do wit...

@smashbaals If you are this careless in exegeting scripture, I’m worried about you. 1. All women are not barred from preaching. 1Ti 2:12 doesn’t say anything about preaching, refers to “a woman” (sin

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-29

@smashbaals I don’t think you read my question very carefully. That verse is bei

@smashbaals I don’t think you read my question very carefully. That verse is being quoted out of context, says nothing about godly women preaching or teaching truth to anyone to be a sin, nor does it

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-29

@James_AndrewRob @i0wa_Guy @smashbaals Yes, but leading is not a sin. Otherwise

@James_AndrewRob @i0wa_Guy @smashbaals Yes, but leading is not a sin. Otherwise God wouldn’t have chosen Deborah to be the highest authority in the land (like Samuel).

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-29

@James_AndrewRob @smashbaals 1Ti 2:12 is not about women preaching or teaching t

@James_AndrewRob @smashbaals 1Ti 2:12 is not about women preaching or teaching truth. It also does not say that such preaching is a sin. https://t.co/ZQizsTh3mL

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-19

@amerikanergent @RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Mutuality is perhaps a better term as this isn’t about asserting one’s rights. Headship in Paul’s thinking is not what we are used to in our context but has to do with the origin of things like marri...

@amerikanergent @RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Mutuality is perhaps a better term as this isn’t about asserting one’s rights. Headship in Paul’s thinking is not what we are used to in our context

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-19

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Marriage has its foundation in the first man and woman. Since Adam was formed first and then Eve from his flesh and bone, it is said that the husband is the source or origin of his wife. It portrays an intimate one ...

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Marriage has its foundation in the first man and woman. Since Adam was formed first and then Eve from his flesh and bone, it is said that the husband is the source o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-19

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Wives are to submit to their husbands in a pr

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Wives are to submit to their husbands in a proper way, like they do to Christ. And clearly, husbands are submitting to their wives. Anyone who is serving their wife

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-18

@ZA_Legacy @smashbaals That is not God giving authority to Adam to rule over Eve

@ZA_Legacy @smashbaals That is not God giving authority to Adam to rule over Eve! First, He’s speaking to Eve, not Adam. And secondly, it’s spoken like a result or consequence of the fall.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-18

@smashbaals Except the husband was not given authority or rule over his wife in

@smashbaals Except the husband was not given authority or rule over his wife in the first place. There's nothing to usurp.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming mal

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming male headship means male primacy, that males must be the only ones who speak. Except that is not what Paul is intending. B

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Again, you presume things: 1. That equal opportunity must mean we should see equal representation of M/F 2. That the NT explicitly names all pastors/elders 3. That God designates leadership to b...

@Robert_S_Morley @Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals “He will rule over you” isn’t a curse though. It’s a prophecy. God didn’t say, “I will make sure that he rules over you” nor did He say to Adam “you must rule over your wife” to show He gave Adam...

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Oh boy, Grumpy. Are you suggesting that as Jesus is the Lord and master that the husband is the lord and master over his wife? Because that's not Paul's argument here. Paul's argument is to agai...

@Grump_Old_Man @Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @smashbaals Where is a slave’s preach

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals I agree, God is not progressive. Yet there are some things that changed in the church like the divide between Jew and Gentile and yes, between male and female. No one is saying that it has to be 50/50. It’s not ...

@Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @smashbaals No my grumpy friend. Paul was counter cult

@ronhenzel @smashbaals Well, all but the churches in scripture. But you are right. The church really was influenced by the culture. Let’s see just how culturally relevant your view is: Aristotle: “Silence is a woman’s glory.” Sophocles: "Silence gi...

@DanJRossOne @smashbaals Did Daniel enact or press to enact laws to mandate wors

@EvansWalt_human @smashbaals I don’t recall Jesus and the apostles running the g

@smashbaals Imagine if Jesus and the apostles had only figured this one out, the

@EkIesou @smashbaals It is correct to say that ‘a woman’ can either refer to a specific woman/wife or a generic woman/wife. The way we determine which it is is by the context. Paul’s reference to Adam and Eve as a prototypical couple and the “She…the...

@smashbaals If you are this careless in exegeting scripture, I’m worried about you. 1. All women are not barred from preaching. 1Ti 2:12 doesn’t say anything about preaching, refers to “a woman” (singular) and not all women, in context has to do wit...

@smashbaals I don’t think you read my question very carefully. That verse is bei

@James_AndrewRob @i0wa_Guy @smashbaals Yes, but leading is not a sin. Otherwise

@James_AndrewRob @smashbaals 1Ti 2:12 is not about women preaching or teaching t

@amerikanergent @RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Mutuality is perhaps a better term as this isn’t about asserting one’s rights. Headship in Paul’s thinking is not what we are used to in our context but has to do with the origin of things like marri...

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Marriage has its foundation in the first man and woman. Since Adam was formed first and then Eve from his flesh and bone, it is said that the husband is the source or origin of his wife. It portrays an intimate one ...

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Wives are to submit to their husbands in a pr

@ZA_Legacy @smashbaals That is not God giving authority to Adam to rule over Eve

@smashbaals Except the husband was not given authority or rule over his wife in

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming mal

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Paul was quoting others’ words. An important indicat...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You don’t see this as a command from Paul? Why

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to challenge the Corinthian believers, which I assert is ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion. And then he rebukes the two verses and the pridef...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired outcome, not being the one doing everything as a ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't j

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The entirety of v34 a

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be treated as those who can have valid response to a te...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The elders are at the bottom⎯serving and pouring out th...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradicts everything Paul has been saying in chapter 14 l...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, decency and order⎯all participating, but not all at the same time. Not the order that recognizes some people as more important than others! That would be doing the same thing that Paul c...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural? Where were women ever stated as saying that they...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and cor

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for it. And Paul said that even if he or an angel wer...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discriminatory behaviour that Paul is correcting them. ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Weighing prophecy is

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophecying and another has a prophecy, the first should ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questions⎯that would be a completely different sort of t...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals “Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1Co 14:29) There is nothing here stating that it is the "teacher's job" to pass judgment on prophecy. At minimum, the ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul uses the phrase “Now concerning” to transition topics or to respond to a question they asked. In the case of 1Co 14:34-35, there is no question and Paul is not changing topics, so why is...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, how are single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands and women with husbands that know less than them to learn? All women are not allowed to ask questions. Therefore, all the ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what the Corinthians wrote. How could he include less an...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Sounds like you are mixing up 1 Tim 3:2 w

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So⎯again, you said "all" can learn includes women, right? But then v35 says, "if [the women] desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home." Which is it, Tom? Can all le...

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