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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 What authority do YOU have that you ar

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 What authority do YOU have that you are to use over your wife? (assuming you have one)

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church you need to keep silent violates God’s commands in ...

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church y

1 Cor 14:31 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

RT @ryanschatz: @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, rig

RT @ryanschatz: @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the authority vested in me because of my famil…

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a complementarian you believe I have a false view! Everyo...

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a comple

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the authority vested in me because of my family jewels, I proclaim that my wife and I are equals in our marriage. There…fi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 The word kephale has a possible meaning of source or origin. As marriage always goes back to its origin in Eden where Adam was the source of Eve (she was made from his bone and flesh and not directly from th...

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 The word kephale has a possible meaning of source or origin. As marriage always goes back to its origin in Eden where Adam was the source of Eve (she was mad

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Take a look at this clip. Surely he has seen my explanation on this going around X as he talks about social media and I have been responding with this idea for months on any thread discussing 1 Tim...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Take a look at this clip. Surely he has seen my explanation on this going around X as he talks about social media and I have been responding with t

1 Tim 2:11-15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific deceived woman who has left orthodoxy and who is u...

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are deceptive in how you are framing what I said and ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is the quote: "The accuracy of the NTS articles of G...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (Peter and John), and they self identify. - No one i...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (P

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that P

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that Paul was saying in this chapter, it is so clear and contrastive that it's shocking. Do you not recognize Paul quoting an

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-27

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Right, but isn't it just funny that people are saying that being an elder must be male but the word itself is feminine? Don't you see the irony? Hey, I replied to a number of other things you stated. I hope you take the ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Right, but isn't it just funny that people are saying that being an elder must be male but the word itself is feminine? Don't you see the irony? Hey, I replied to a number

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is kinda funny…that overseer is feminine. I don’t nee...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is k

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Linda Belleville showed other places where the verb form clearly means to murder; the verb form is very rare. Timothy would know what this meant, but Timothy would certainly not have thought it m...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Linda Belleville showed other places where the verb form clearly means to murder; the verb form is very rare. Timothy would know what this meant,

1 Tim 2:2 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

RT @ryanschatz: @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin..

RT @ryanschatz: @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1 Tim 3:1 is feminine.... https://t.co/AxjNaK…

1 Tim 3:1 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1 Tim 3:1 is feminine.... https://t.co/AxjNaK5DMm

1 Tim 3:1 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching true doctrine to women to groups including men is...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of authority, he had several common words he could hav...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority but source relationships. You have been thoroughly...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority b

1 Tim 2:11 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is impossible for a woman to be "the husband of one w...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural)

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural) I write”—start at the beginning of 1 Cor 14 and identify the commands Paul writes in the whole chapter.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and pastors to congregants). Women are not restricte...

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of the Bible. Linda Belleville did an exhaustive se...

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ronhenzel @Allbald2 @ZacharyGarris Ephesians 5:21 (NASB) and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. “To one another” is a reciprocal pronoun. See the Greek grammar below: The "reciprocal pronoun" is as follows: The New Testament, partic...

@ronhenzel @Allbald2 @ZacharyGarris Ephesians 5:21 (NASB) and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. “To one another” is a reciprocal pronoun. See the Greek grammar below: The "reciprocal

Ephesians 5:21 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the faith with a clear conscience, etc)⎯it also doesn't ...

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the fa

1 Cor 14:34 1 Tim 2:11 1 Tim 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam So a woman can bump into 5 church friends at Walmart, gather in a ci

@ymmotrojam So a woman can bump into 5 church friends at Walmart, gather in a circle and pray out loud for each other and prophesy, but if they did this in the formal gathering, they would be sinning?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Again, you are making up this whole idea of formal/informal, and it only causes confusion, especially when you tie it to sin. Further, Paul's instruction was actually NOT to cover one's head. That includes women. Except if a woman is m...

@ymmotrojam Again, you are making up this whole idea of formal/informal, and it only causes confusion, especially when you tie it to sin. Further, Paul's instruction was actually NOT to cover one's h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam Ok, but you are literally making this up. The church is the people...whoever can make it...whether they knew about a formal invite or not. So every woman is going to come and say "Hey, pastor, was there a formal invite that went out? I...

@ymmotrojam Ok, but you are literally making this up. The church is the people...whoever can make it...whether they knew about a formal invite or not. So every woman is going to come and say "Hey, p

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam If I were a woman in your church, I would consider the Bible study t

@ymmotrojam If I were a woman in your church, I would consider the Bible study to be my church. That is where I would feel God is able to use me without restriction. I would tolerate Sunday morning

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the way, does your church eat together every Sunday? I ...

@ymmotrojam #3 should be the purpose of getting together in any and every context. But sometimes people get together to do something other than opening the Word, breaking bread and prayer. By the wa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Rather, it is those in the church that say God prefers one biological sex over the other (even though He saves both) that may in fact be the impetus causing much of the cultural backlash and overshoot. But at any rate, I d...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Rather, it is those in the church that say God prefers one biological sex over the other (even though He saves both) that may in fact be the impetus causing much of the cult

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ZacharyGarris This is not true. After considerable study and reflection, I believe I am following the scripture accurately by being egalitarian. I’m telling Christians how I believe the scripture is consistent with this view and how one is not vio...

@ZacharyGarris This is not true. After considerable study and reflection, I believe I am following the scripture accurately by being egalitarian. I’m telling Christians how I believe the scripture i

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who will just tell us what to do, rather than someone...

@RushiXmakima Thanks for contributing! I agree that at least the way we view pastors today goes beyond what they were in the first churches. Today we seem to desire a charismatic leader, someone who

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 You have to conclude this because otherwise you have

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 You have to conclude this because otherwise you have Paul contradicting himself. I do not have this problem. I think the burden of proof is on the one restricting.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Balance does not equate to only males speaking. Many churches today only have the pastor and maybe one other person speaking, so what you are saying to restrict women from speaking from the front doesn't make much differen...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Balance does not equate to only males speaking. Many churches today only have the pastor and maybe one other person speaking, so what you are saying to restrict women from

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Not "ugly," but the Greek word means disgraceful, sha

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Not "ugly," but the Greek word means disgraceful, shameful, base or sordid, filthy nakedness. Don't believe me? Do you believe John MacArthur? https://t.co/ftRFBtx7Wn

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I know what will solve all problems... if church were

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 I know what will solve all problems... if church were held in a monastery and all were silent. Wait⎯but then we've got that pesky imperative "do not forbid"...

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam The church is not a building, it is any gathering of people. Prophecy is not intended to be done in your closet! It is meant for the edification, encouragement and correction of the body. What good is it to say that the ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam The church is not a building, it is any gathering of people. Prophecy is not intended to be done in your closet! It is meant for the edification, encouragement and correct

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam If that is the case, why isn't church just for comple

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam If that is the case, why isn't church just for complementarian men and the rest of us can meet separately and call it a gathering so that the women can participate like the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So all doesn't mean all? It doesn't even mean all ki

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 So all doesn't mean all? It doesn't even mean all kinds? It just means all males? 1 Cor 11:5 presumes women are praying and prophesying in church, but you believe that it

1 Cor 11:5 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-26

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam What do you mean Ch 11 is not speaking about in the church? Where are they praying and prophesying? Outside the front door? In the prayer room? To themselves? So, according to your view of Ch 14, women can speak when p...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam What do you mean Ch 11 is not speaking about in the church? Where are they praying and prophesying? Outside the front door? In the prayer room? To themselves? So, accor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@Duke456521 @Ashwin_Vengayil @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren Here's the thing. In the New Testament: - No one is explicitly identified as an overseer - Aside from Jesus, there's only two who are explicitly identified as elders (Peter and John) - No one...

@Duke456521 @Ashwin_Vengayil @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren Here's the thing. In the New Testament: - No one is explicitly identified as an overseer - Aside from Jesus, there's only two who are explici

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That is correct. If this is from Paul, then those wh

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That is correct. If this is from Paul, then those who claim it is not calling for complete silence are wrong. But here's the caveat⎯it contradicts Paul's own statements in

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@NSanctification Ok, so women can teach and perform the same tasks as elders, just so long as they avoid doing it for 2 hours on Sunday morning between 10am and 12pm? So in their homes is fine? What do you mean by be in authority over a man? Does ...

@NSanctification Ok, so women can teach and perform the same tasks as elders, just so long as they avoid doing it for 2 hours on Sunday morning between 10am and 12pm? So in their homes is fine? What

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@punkpublican I'm glad you allow women to evangelize! Wouldn't that be teaching someone the gospel? Being an elder is simply teaching and correcting to what the Bible says, not making new doctrine. What makes you think that this is the domain of m...

@punkpublican I'm glad you allow women to evangelize! Wouldn't that be teaching someone the gospel? Being an elder is simply teaching and correcting to what the Bible says, not making new doctrine.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@t_mo_land @jdenehar Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the bfear of Christ." This includes husbands subjecting themselves to their wives and pastors to their congregants. The Biblical call is mutual subjection, so whatever the...

@t_mo_land @jdenehar Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the bfear of Christ." This includes husbands subjecting themselves to their wives and pastors to their congregants. The B

Eph 5:21 commentary
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@jdenehar We follow elders if they relate God's instructions accurately. So who we are following is actually God and His Word. Elders don't have a special teaching "authority" but a responsibility and a service to offer. About headship, take a loo...

@jdenehar We follow elders if they relate God's instructions accurately. So who we are following is actually God and His Word. Elders don't have a special teaching "authority" but a responsibility a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@Yessiiiiir @MikeWingerii Paul says to Timothy in 1 Tim 1:3-4, “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct certain people not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and e...

@Yessiiiiir @MikeWingerii Paul says to Timothy in 1 Tim 1:3-4, “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct certain people not to teach stra

1 Tim 1:3-4 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@Deigratia1985 I didn't say I felt that way. I'm reasoning about what mutual su

@Deigratia1985 I didn't say I felt that way. I'm reasoning about what mutual submission means (Eph 5:21) and what authority in the church must not mean. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Eph 5:21 debate
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