Metacrock

probably because I was kicking thier asses in debate..

sorry. I didn’t mean to be dogmatic and grouph. I’ve been on carm all day. My Greek is no great shakes. I studied it as my undergraduate language, but it was always hard. Your view tennable.I didn’t mean to make it sound as though your view is bad and mine is so great. it’s speculative anways, my view, all views.

I admire what you are doing I hope you are not offended.

you have not looked at my version because you wont find one like mine. Your Greek is very bad. you are trying to make words say things they don’t mean.

there is no way on this earth that “I do not permit a woman to teach” mens “a particular woman.” If that’s what he meant he would have said “I do not permit this woman to teach” “I do not permit that woman to teach” something like that. But “i do not permit a woman to teach, but if they will remain in faith ect ect they will be saved in child birth.” that makes perfect sense and its’ pluarl. It’s speaking of all women, or of all women on Ephesus at aleast.

The answer is much more simple. It means the were afarid of evil spirits, especially in child birth because that’s what the gnostics taught, that child birth is evil. The whole point of silencing women was to silence the particular group of gnostic women who had were claiming the authority then had in pagan circles, only in the church. Paul is saying a woman will be kept safe in child birth by faith. it’s not about the birth of Christ, the child bearing, that is unnecessary. It can just as easily be read as child brith.

I like your blog and I appreciate waht you are doing.I share the overall goal of freeing women to serve God in the way they are called. I too have had my tensions with Matt Slick. I know he can be gualing.

I just don’t think that apporach to 1 Tim 2:15 is necessary. I think it’s a much simpler answer is clear. I’ve studied that passage for years I learned Greek so I could deal with the “egal” issues.

my view, if you are interested, can be found here:

http://www.doxa.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=54

btw I have an egal message board and I need people to post on it. I would be honored if you would.

are you the Cheryl who was in the CADRE? I met you on carm, if you are her. I see you are aware of Matt Slick so maybe you are. Well you have a great a blog and I’m linking to it.