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Kay and Marg,

Speak where the bible speaks and where the bible is silent then so should we.

Marg,

The family is the union between the husband and wife. They shall become one flesh. What is your biblical definition of family? If the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, this supports the headship of the husband. And there could only be one head.

Yes, I am done with this subject as well.

Marg,

God’s word transcend time and culture. Just because women roles have changed in the world does not mean they change in the Body of Christ. It is apparent that the church has been influenced by the world, because of this debate. We have come to a point where we agree to disagree. I think that those who believe the scripture in this content is gender neutral is misguided. Your gender neutral would apply to every aspect of life. Such as the women being the head of the family unit or the woman the findth a man finds a good thing. Think about this the blood line always lie with the male child. In addition, the term one woman man does not mean gender neutral, since the English is Husband of one wife. Can a woman be a husband? Can the man be the wife? Many twist the scriptures to suit themselves, as I believe is happening here.

Marg,

It would be unneccesary for me to read anything other than the scriptures. If you are saying it is gender neutral it would be clearly stated in the scriptures. Paul was very specific when he gave Titus and Timothy these instructions. How could it be gender neutral when you must be the HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE? The Greek word for man in 1 Tim 3 does not allow for gender neutral. Again, where is your example in the scriptures for you position?

Sorry, I missed spoke.

I have decided to take the narrow way and to be in the few!

Cheryl,
Let me get right into it. The qualifications for elder are quite clear and leave no room for what ifs. Furthermore, there is to be a plurality of elders in each church. (1 Tim 5:17 and Titus 1:5) Paul never identified himself that he was an elder, but he was a minister, who could be single. So if you follow the bible it would exclude the groups that you have identified. I am not the one to point out another man’s sin, the sin is against God and not me.
Again, where are you getting the ifs?
Cheryl:
“The issue of “husband of one wife” is the issue of marital faithfulness (if one is married) and a married man is to have his household in order (if he has children).”
Response:
Where does the bible say that if he has a wife or children? When was Paul pastoring or shepherding? While he was in chains? Please send me a scriptural reference of Paul’s pastoring?

Cheryl:
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say “they would be interchangeable according to your interpretation”. If you mean that husbands and wives are interchangeable, I didn’t say anything like that. IF that is not what you mean, I am totally lost.
Response:
If women could assume the role of pastor or elder, then they should be able to assume the role of husband, right? Interchangeable

Cheryl:
God is responsible for His laws and His rules and He has never yet condemned one of his female “sons” for using their God-given gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ.
Response:
You and I will be judged for what is written in the scriptures. His commandments are not grievous and they are very clear. How do you know he has not condemned those women? Judgment Day must have come and gone and both of us missed it. I will close with this scripture:

Matthew 7
13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I have to take the narrow way and to be in the few!
Also, Brad was on point!

Hi Cheryl,

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of scripture. You are correct that, Nowhere in scripture is there to be a designated “priest of the home”. Then again there is nowhere in scripture is there mention of the trinity either. Why have you bypass when God created man and formed from the rib of the man. She was designated as “Help Meet”, but today we have changed it to say “Help Me”. God didn’t go to Eve because of the sin, but to Adam was given the responsibility for the union. You also bypassed the curse for the sin committed, Is this curse still in effect? We serve a God of order; God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit; Husband, wife, and Children; Jesus the head of man and man the head of woman. There is no two heads in the Body of Christ. Also, if the bible is to be our manual, where is your example in the New Testament church of women in leadership over men in the church?