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Comment by gengwall

Cheryl – “The second witness would be his sin nature and the fact that men all around the world seem to have inherited the tendency to want to “rule”

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Lin

“As far as a spiritual connection – it just isn’t in the text. Eve isn’t turning to Adam as her Messiah or her Lord. I believe that attaching a charge

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by gengwall

Cheryl – “I have a real longing to be with my husband. The sexual part is not the focus for when and if that leaves when we are really old, I will sti

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by gengwall

Cheryl – “Looks like we are still discussing on this post. Alrighty then, I’m game.” I have no illusions that Eve usurped Adam’s authority, so I thin

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, I will answer your questions on #255 first as my answer is shorter. > But Mary had a human sin nature because she was born of both father and m

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, > Cheryl – if the “desire” or “turning” has no spiritual component, is it is all related to the physical, are you not then supporting the i

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, Looks like we are still discussing on this post. Alrighty then, I’m game. > I’m really not sure where you are coming from. You and I have

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

I made a long response to Lin, but then somehow I got off the page and lost everything. Arghhhh!!! Oh well, will recreate as I have time.

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by gengwall

Just a quick note to back up Lin’s argument. Cheryl – if the “desire” or “turning” has no spiritual component, is it is all related to the physical, a

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by gengwall

Cheryl – “So is the “rule” that God predicted Adam would take over Eve a good thing?” Certainly not. I am certain I have made that clear. Cheryl – “

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Greg Anderson

In a court of law, with the Biblical text as the only admissible evidence, I doubt very seriously that a jury could be convinced that Eve unlawfully u

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by Lin

This is what happens when we affirm the translation of Teshuqa as ‘desire’ instead of the historical ‘turning’. Check out the chart embedded in these

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by Lin

“If we want to make Eve a habitual sinner, we are in danger of having no human parent that the Messiah could come through and have no inherited sin na

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Lin

Cheryl, I believe we tend toward error when we do not translate Teshuqa properly. I think desire is a very bad translation that leads us into error. I

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Kay

“How come comp thinking has turned the biblical teaching of who needed help from who completely around saying that rather than the man needing the wom

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by Kay

Ortlund’s attempt at slight-of-hand theology is unbelievable. How can you get this: “Instead of turning away from the bar of God’s justice in bittern

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by pinklight

> It is so sad to see that the original fall has been rewritten to make the man to be the one who was sinned against by the woman and the woman is the

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by pinklight

> Instead of turning away from the bar of God’s justice in bitterness and despair, Adam turns to his wife and says, “I believe God’s promise. He has n

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by pinklight

> So why is it that complementarians like Raymond Ortlund charge Eve with taking a forbidden role in leadership? I submit that it is because their the

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by pinklight

> The paradox of Genesis 2 is also seen in the fact that the woman was made from the man (her equality) and for the man (her inequality). So being ma

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by pinklight

> But is this Biblical fact or complementarian fiction? I like this wording 🙂

Eve Usurped Adam Authority
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Wayne P, Excellent observations. Thanks!

Men Taken Womens Good Portion
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

My new post is up now at <http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/03/21/eve-usurped-adam-authority/> Perhaps we can move the conversation over there as thi

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, Your quote says: > Before Cain could have been born (Genesis 4:1) either Adam must have repented and become again the child of God, or Eve mus

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-22

Comment by truthseeker

Lin, #250-that is very helpful! Thanks!

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-21

Comment by Wayne P.

In “Jesus through Middle-Eastern Eyes: Cultural Studies in the Gospels,” Kenneth Bailey explains that the point of the story in Luke 10, when seen fro

Men Taken Womens Good Portion
2010-03-20

Comment by Lin

I agree with Bushnell on this issue. LESSON 16. GOD’S WARNING TO EVE 122. The N. T. teaches us that “He that committeth sin is of the devil. . . W

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by pinklight

> She was willing to continue a loving relationship with him so that they could together fulfill God’s command to be fruitful and multiply and fill th

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, You asked: > If she had stayed close to God how could Adam have ruled over her unless God commanded it? He could rule over her by force. This

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by Lin

If she had stayed close to God how could Adam have ruled over her unless God commanded it? Did she have a choice to leave or not? I gather from your t

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, > As gengwell said earlier, it takes two to tango. Eve wrongly turning toward Adam instead of God, gave Adam the power to rule over her in the f

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by Lin

“Comps believe that her responsibility is to give up her independent life and to rely on her husband for all spiritual decisions.” For the most part,

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-20

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, You said: > It is ironic in many ways. Comps teach that now, in the NC, the husband’s ‘rule’ is good. (They describe it as leadership but it i

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Lin

It is ironic in many ways. Comps teach that now, in the NC, the husband’s ‘rule’ is good. (They describe it as leadership but it is really rule). They

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Lin, > Cheryl, Do you realize that her turning to/desire for her husband as a good thing would result in the fact that comps are right about roles/pa

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Lin

“2. I said: “As suspicious as I am of “desire” or “turning” as a virtue, I find the thought of it being relatively inconsequential blather on God’s pa

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Have a good sleep gengwall. For your night time thinking perhaps you can ponder this: When God predicted Adam’s rule over Eve, did God command Adam to

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, So is the “rule” that God predicted Adam would take over Eve a good thing?

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by gengwall

So – I will address the three witnesses from Gen 3:22-24……after this break. LOL It’s bed time. I’ll pick it up tomorrow.

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by gengwall

I’ll focus here. > Was my Biblical evidence for Adam’s sin nature of no value? I accept your argument about Adam’s sin nature (something I never que

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, > 1. I do not believe Eve had a sin nature. That doesn’t mean I believe she was incapable of sinning. Wonderful to know that we agree that

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by gengwall

Two comments. 1. I do not believe Eve had a sin nature. That doesn’t mean I believe she was incapable of sinning. I would like to continue exploring

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, > Cheryl – you must type (and think) at superhuman speeds. Well I did type (if I remember right) 110ish-130ish words per minute when I was

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by gengwall

“I think Eve’s been cleared of false charges ;P” Boy, not to my thinking. Cheryl – you must type (and think) at superhuman speeds. I would like to c

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by pinklight

🙂

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

pinklight, > Hey Cheryl, thanks alot for all of this on Eve’s “desire”. It’s taking me some time to get it to “sink down”, but I getten it. It’s just

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Kay, You said: > So, Adam’s sin was that he chose to quit having faith in God and was terminally unrepentant, therefore he had to be barred from th

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by pinklight

I think Eve’s been cleared of false charges ;P Hey Cheryl, thanks alot for all of this on Eve’s “desire”. It’s taking me some time to get it to “sink

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, You said: > Have we considered this – what is the significance “the east” in the placements of the cherubims and flaming sword? I think i

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

gengwal, You said: > First, I certainly believe Adam shared the same nature of sin with us. But, that nature stems from his original sin. Any post

Why Was Eve Punished
2010-03-19
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