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Gethsemane — Jesus was not separated from the Father; "forsaken" means handed over to a terrible fate, not ontological separation of the Trinity

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 4) 00:45:20 – 00:48:28

Question from Blake about whether Jesus was forsaken/separated from the Father in Gethsemane.

In Gethsemane Jesus agonizes (sweating blood, Luke 22:44) and prays for the cup to pass. He was not forsaken there — the forsaking language applies primarily to the cross. Even on the cross, "forsaken" means handed over to a horrible fate (God's plan of substitutionary sacrifice), not an ontological separation of Father and Son within the Trinity. Mike refuses to say the divine persons were separated in their being ("separated ontologically"), because that would misrepresent the nature of the Trinity. It was temporary (ending at resurrection), purposeful (for salvation), and according to the Son's own will. Reference to his detailed series on penal substitutionary atonement.

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