Mike comments on Jeff Durbin of Apologia Radio, praising him for having a solid gospel and effective outreach to cults but disagreeing with his strong Calvinism; he also notes controversy around a debate Durbin and James White did against a Mormon.

Mike says he has heard little of Durbin but appreciates that he holds the gospel firmly. He notes Durbin is a strong Calvinist, which Mike disagrees with. He references a video where Durbin and James White debated a Mormon, and Leighton Flowers critiqued their Calvinist theodicy as deficient. Mike agrees the Calvinist explanation for evil is deficient but says it was irrelevant to a debate about Mormonism.