Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
You said:

I’m glad you believe that God draws people to Himself. But i can’t understand how you believe God draws every single person to himself.

Drawing is not the same as “coming”. God draws all, but He doesn’t make all come.

John 12:32 (NASB)
32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

Is there any reason why I should doubt Jesus? If He said that He will draw all men to Himself, then He certainly didn’t fail to do what He prophesied.

You quoted Jn 6:37 which says that all the father gives to Jesus will come to him. Does the father give every single person to Jesus? or a limited number?

No. The Father does not give every single person to Jesus. The Father only gives those who belong to Him. He gives none that don’t belong to Him. They are the ones in the Father’s hand.

John 10:29 (NASB)
29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

They belonged to the Father and they kept the Father’s Word:

John 17:6 (NASB)
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

Now, Mark, I would like to reason with you from the Scriptures. Did God give believers in God or unbelievers to the Son? And did God give those who hated God to the Son?

You have already said you reject a doctrine of universalism so what is Jn 6 saying?

John 6 is a repeat of something that the Father already prophesied in the OT.,

Psalm 25:12–14 (NASB)
12 Who is the man who fears the LORD?
He will instruct him in the way he should choose.
13 His soul will abide in prosperity,
And his descendants will inherit the land.
14 The secret of the LORD is for those who fear Him,
And He will make them know His covenant.

Jesus is God’s covenant. Those who fear God will be brought to the new covenant in Jesus.

John 6 says that all those who already belonged to the Father (those who feared God) were given to Jesus. It is all about believers. God gives these believers into the safe keeping of Jesus and He will lose none of them.

What about Matt 11:27, when Jesus says no-one knows the Father except the Son and those whom the Son CHOOSES to reveal him. This is not for everybody.

Sure. And who does Jesus choose to reveal the Father to?

In Jesus’ high priestly prayer, Jesus reveals who He chooses to reveal the Father to:

John 17:8–10 (NASB)
8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
9 “I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.

John 17:20 (NASB)
20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

John 17:26 (NASB)
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Jesus reveals the Father only to believers.

God only draws those whom he chooses to reveal his Son too.

No. God draws all, but He only gives those to Jesus the ones that belong to Him. Don’t you see the difference, Mark? How can God give to Jesus those who do not belong to Him?