Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
You said:

I agree. An ungenerate person is one who is dead in sin. A regenerate person is one who has been born again. Your still looking at born again as only salvation, and this is where I think you are wrong.

Being born again has to be salvation since one has God’s seed within them and there is nothing else said to be needed after our rebirth. Our rebirth is our salvation. If you do not believe that it is, then show me how it is possible for God’s spirit to indwell a person who is not saved?

I wonder why you didn’t quote these verses? Is it because they are so obvious about a future judgment and a future entering into the kingdom that they cannot even be twisted to be about the here and the now?”

“Now Mark, I have carefully gone through this piece by piece to show that the action of God which is the verb salvation is the “gift”. The rest only explains how the action is gifted to us “by grace” and “through faith”.

Cheryl, I disagree with your exegesis. Logically we must say then that ‘grace’ is not even a gift then.

Grace is the means to the gift.

Col 2:13 also talks about us being dead in our sins and uncircumcised sinful nature? If we are by nature because of our sinful nature passed down from Adam, dead in sin, how on earth can we possibly have the ability to have faith in God.