Mark

Kay,
Yes you have thorough enough for me to see your point. The only problem is i think your wrong!

I think you need to go back to the end of chapter 8. Paul is clear there that nothing can seperate us from God. That is the lead in poin to chapters 9-11. Now if that statement is true, then what has happened with Israel the nation- it would appear that God is a liar because through Jesus he has seperated himself from the nation of Israel. This is where you are missing a vital ingredient.

With this in mind then one can understand Paul’s argument in chapter 9. God’s word has not failed because salvation was never granted to the nation of Israel, but only’true’ Israel- the children of the promise. Paul defines this clearer in Gal 3:29, where Abraham’s seed or children are those in Christ.

What you have written still does not make sense of the passage or the context. Maybe you can look into what Paul means by the terms Israel. Look again at his use in 9:4. His intention is the ‘people of Israel’ or his ‘brothers’. He wishes he could be cut off for their sakes.
Therefore when we read Israel in verse 6 this is clearly Pauls usage. Not all of his ‘brothers’ or ‘people’ are true Israel. True Israel are not the natural children of Abraham but the ‘children of the promise’. These children are the one’s who are considered Abraham’s children. Ishmael and Esau are not even considered in the Old Testament as part of ‘Israel’ so your whole lineage argument again makes no sense.
Also note the objectors of verse 19 are the people Paul is writing to. IN your lineage argument these are ‘true israel’ since they descend from Isaac and Jacob, so why are they objecting.

The reality is this teaching is a hard word. It made even the Romans object to Paul in exactly the same way it is making you object Kay.

I would love to write more but i’ve run out of time. Sorry