Cheryl Schatz

Gazza,

I should probably add this. You said:

Thus the believers in Romans are to be dead to sin in just the same way the Eph were dead to life in Christ through their transgressions before God made them alive.

So yes we are dead in transgressions when God made us alive in Christ.

Ephesians was written to the saints. Eph 2:5 is present tense. Paul isn’t saying “we are dead in transgressions when God made us alive”. If he was saying that, it would have to be past tense not present. But if Eph 2:5 and Roman 6:11 are saying the same thing, then what is Paul really saying?