Mark

Sue,

I never ignored your comment. Let me say it again- all lexicons i have read say that the verb ‘submit’ has authority attached to it. Now you bring up 1 Clement in BDAG, so let me say again what i said to you earlier. It was in the discussion of Grudem’s challenge, and what i told you was that i would need to look at it in more detail when i get a chance because it seems like you might have a case with that one…how is that ignoring you? I directly addressed what you had said.

Nevertheless, does that then mean that when BDAG list ‘subordination’ or ‘subject’ as meanings it forfeits that authority is involved? I don’t think it does, so my point is still the same. That verb according to lexicons denotes authority. We can argue over the one reference you claim is different once i’ve had time to look into it more fully. But please don’t accuse me of ignoring you.

Tell me this Sue…why do you hang onto one non-biblical use of hypotasso as the foundation for your theology? Of course that is provided that your test case fits into the required condition Grudem challenges.