Cheryl Schatz

Craig,
You said:

I thought this was an extaordinary way to try and cling to his interpretation. I must have missed something because the implications are amazing.

I was quite alarmed at how far Grudem and Ware are willing to go to support the subordination of women. When I hear these men teach and preach to pastors who should be equally as shocked to hear the prehuman Word of God subordinated to the point of having less honor, praise and worship and hearing God subordinated to us merely because they are looking for a way to keep the subordination of women within mainstream Christianity, I am appalled at the silence of shepherds who are not speaking out.

He would surely think that sometimes a husband could help his wife. Would this mean that sometimes a husband would then be subordinate to his wife and sometimes a wife may have authority over her husband?

Apparently not. It is only God who is subordinate at times while the husband is giving leadership when his wife needs help. Everything is about male leadership and male superiority even when the wife needs help, but it is not so when God helps us. It totally mind boggles me to think that people swallow this kind of stuff without an understanding how God is being dethroned and the male is elevated in the process of this false doctrine.

Surely he can’t be contadicting himself so clearly. Have I misunderstood something or has he painted himself into a corner?

He is contradicting himself to keep male leadership intact. Men never leave the place of leadership while apparently God does. How sad is that? It makes me upset that the popularity of these men have made their teaching accepted without any apparent contradiction or opposition except from egalitarians. I wonder how far do they need to continue down this road before men wake up and understand the danger of subjecting God to their doctrine of subordination?