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Craig

Craig

2010-08-12

Cheryl,
There are some things you have said that I don’t understand and can’t work out why you have said them, but I think if I summarise what I can follow, then we both may be happy to leave this issue and press on with some more productive things.
My friend and I have never thought that anything can be added to our salvation after we die. Nothing we do after we die makes any difference to our eternal salvation. I am sorry if I haven’t expressed myself clearly enough on this.

Can I just ask something to double check that we really are basically in agreement.
If the apostle Paul were alive today, and he knew my grandmother before she died, do you believe he would be happy to say
“She ‘was saved’ when she believed the gospel, was justified, was forgiven for all her sins and became a child of God.
She ‘will be saved’ from God’s wrath in the future judgement and for the rest of eternity (not because of anything she has done to deserve it, before or after she died, but because of God’s mercy, forgiving her sins through the death of Christ).”
If you answer yes, we are in agreement.
If you answer yes, but…………. we are in agreement
If you answer no, I have misunderstood something.

The slight difference that would remain is that you might say to my friend that his point is irrelevant because v15b clearly proves that Eve can’t be in mind, and even John MacArthur agrees that it can’t refer to Eve.
I however replied to him, “I agree that the bible sometimes says that believers are not only saved now but “will be saved” in the future and for all eternity. But Paul can’t be saying that here in reference to Eve because of v15b.

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