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Mark

Mark

2010-08-14

Pinklight,

“Yes, it is dependent upon what she and her husband continue to do, but I don’t see the contradiction. Where’s the rub? “What if she remains in faith and he doesn’t?” I can only guess.”

The rub is clear, no longer is salvation by grace through faith, but by grace through faith (plus) the husbands faith and works…big contradiction. As to your guess, again the same issue applies- this is a conditional clause, meaning that if the condition is not met, salvation falls. This is the reality of a conditional clause.

What you are actually proposing is that this woman’s salvation is conditional on what both her and her husband believe and do. This is not inline with other clear biblical teaching and therefore must be rejected. It undermines the gospel and salvation and the promise of nothing separating us from God. It undermines the very heart of the gospel.
Many of your comments pinklight follow in line with Cheryl’s claim that the husband was to help bring the woman out of deception. But this is not in the text, dismisses what sozo means, and undermines the conditional clause. We are talking about eternal salvation (accepting Cheryls definition for this) in the context of a conditional clause. You cannot just substitute that for coming out of deception with a little help from hubby. It actually ignores the grammar which this interpretation claims as so strong in it’s favour.

You said, “Yes, a person’s salvation can be dependent upon someone else’s actions.” How so and what biblical proof do you have for this? The way the protestant reformers saw salvation was by their OWN personal faith and trust in Jesus. This is the biblically accepeted position of evangelicals.

Let me just put one of your comments up alongside Dave’s and see if you do actually agree

Pinklight- “Yes, a person’s salvation can be dependent upon someone else’s actions”
Dave- ““In regards to her salvation I am sure Paul would say that it is only, ultimately, resting on her faith in Christ…the childbirth, and the new life that springs from that.”

I can’t see how you are actually agreeing, and also remember pinklight that the husband remaining in faith is also conditional not just his actions. You say salvation can be dependent on another person’s actions. Dave saids it rests on HER faith in Christ. Maybe you can reconcile the apparent difference, but as i see it, you are all saying different things and no one is actually dealing with the condtional cause and thus the condition that must be met for this woman to be saved in the future.

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