Mark

Dave,

“The conditional clause is not that she will only be saved if they both continue in faith (is does not say this…but you are insisting that it does).”

Please define a conditional clause Dave and see if you are correct. Here is Cheryl’s own definition

“Next Paul says that “she will be saved…if” The “if” is an adverbial conditional conjunction which introduces a condition that must occur before another action or event can occur.”

So the condition must occur (BOTH remain in faith, love, sanctification, self control) before the action or event can occur (salvation).

So actually i am not insisting anything beyond what the conditional clause is, nor beyond Cheryl’s own definition. If the condition is not met, the action or event cannot occur.

Sorry, Dave but your ignoring the force of the clause.

So no, i don’t think Cheryl’s exegesis is flawless. Perhaps if we ever find some evidence to support the exegesis i would then consider it. But with what we have so far, there are better alternatives that correspond to the grammar, are supported by the early Church’s actions and teachings and are not based on guessing that such a person existed in the Ephesian Church when Timothy was leading. Plus we are only actually dealing with verse 15 here and not the other verses.

Have a look at what Kostenberger saids about this verse here…http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/roles_kostenberger.pdf

Once this is read, it is easy to see the complications with this verse which never appear to be discussed here. I continue to find it amazing that people on this blog are so confident on this interpretation.

Anyways, nice chatting. How is Ryde Pressie? Do you have much to do with Ryde Congregational?