Cheryl Schatz

To continue to Mark,

Since this is the case, we ought to be very cautious of people who think they have a flawless exegesis of this passage. History should tell us otherwise.

No need to be cautious of “people” at all. If the exegesis is not flawless then it should take nothing at all to find the flaws. You have not managed to do so, Mark, although you have huffed and puffed and tried to blow down the house. It still stands.

If you do not wish to answer any further on my comments that is fine, but please stop asking me to show you my proof or my exegesis etc-i’m not here for that.

When you make a “claim” of Greek grammar, you will be expected to back up your claim. If you do not want to back up your claim, then perhaps you shouldn’t make the claim that you have knowledge that you don’t have.

And frankly to try and throw it back onto me doesn’t help your cause in defending your case, it makes it look as if you would just rather attack the opposition than defend the fort.

The fort has received no viable attack yet, but you are welcome to find a real challenge for me if you find one in the future. It is not an attack to ask questions of the opposition. It is also not an attack to ask for proof of a claim that is made by the opposition. Labeling these things as an “attack” actually reveals the weakness of your challenge and by your own admission you don’t have a position on the disputed text.

I hope you are willing to answer why and how the woman’s salvation can be conditional on her husband’s faith, love, sobriety and sanctification. I hope you can offer a stronger case for your position.

Read my comments above.

God bless.

Mark, that is the nicest thing that you have said to me in a long time. Thanks!

P.S i would think that Paul is a good example of a decieved false teacher being named? Isn’t this obvious considering your exegesis relies heavily on Paul’s personal refelction in chapter 1.

Paul’s revelation that he was himself in unbelief when he acted as a blasphemer, a persecutor and an insolent man (insolent person, violent aggressor, especially of one who takes a superior attitude and mistreats others out of his own revolt against God’s revelation of truth- Vol. 4: Analytical lexicon of the Greek New Testament. Baker’s Greek New Testament library (387), was a self revelation of his sin.

1 Timothy 1:13 (NKJV)
13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Paul’s humility shows his changed nature. But God never ever exposed the name of an ignorant deceived teacher. Paul in humility showed that he himself was like those who are in his shoes, but Paul, just like God, never revealed their names of the ones who were not deliberate deceivers.

But of course that is based on the assumption that this passage IS dealing with false teaching, which is truly an assumption with no other evidence to support it.

Chapter 1 deals with false teaching and false teachers. If chapter 2 deals with the stopping of a true teacher teaching the truth of God’s word, then where does God ever set up a law that stops the teaching of the truth? This understanding flies against the very nature of truth and the God of truth.