Craig

Hi Kristen,
You said

I honestly don’t understand where Mark is getting the idea that egals think “submit” means “put the other first and meet their needs.” “Submit” means “voluntarily yield to.”

I must “fess up here that this is my fault.
As I wrote in #226 I have heard “voluntary yielding” is the main idea behind submission. When I have thought about how I do this “to one another” in the church and to my wife I have thought of it as “voluntarily yielding of my own desires so that I put others first and meet their needs”. I expressed this to Mark. He has then applied this definition to all types of submission (like to governments and slaves to masters and to Christ) and of course found it wanting. He sometimes left out the voluntary yielding part and just used the last part. I should have just left it as “voluntary yielding to” as you say and then he wouldn’t have taken off with it like he did. I’ll try and learn from that.