Craig

As an example of what I am saying/asking. @#73 Cheryl quotes a suggestion from Kirsten and then sees a problem with it.

Kristen,?You said:
“Perhaps the women in question, being used to seeing women leading in the temple of Artemis, were only “shouldering in” when it was a man doing the teaching in the Ephesus church. Perhaps when a woman was teaching in the church, they were letting her teach without resistance. Perhaps this particular situation is what Paul was addressing. It seems plausible.”
The problem with this is that Paul’s words are not about men teaching but about who she teaches. How are you going to get a woman “shouldering in” to the congregation when a man teaches and find her only teaching men? Where are the other women that would be there? There is a hole in the argument.

The problem doesn’t exist if “a man” only refers to “authentein” and not to “teach” as far as I can tell. So Kristen’s suggestion may not be ruled out by this objection, if we are looking outside of the wife/husband private scenario possibilities. I still think it suffers at verse 15 though- but no more than any comp view I have heard.
BTW One of the comp staff at my church also argued with me that “she” in v15 was Eve representing all women- a bit the same as Adam representing all mankind in Rom 5. I think Cheryl’s view makes more sense than this of v15. I was also thinking, if comps take this line- that women sinned “in Eve”, I wonder what happens to their Federal headship of Adam?? I didn’t think to ask this at the time.