teknomom

Well, well, well…

First I’ll just dump my hasty notes I took as I listened, then post my comments:

M– one woman not fit context of 1 Tim 1-2

C– subject can change, not an issue 1 tim 2:11 has grammar shift from falsehood to leadership, plural to singular; makes v15 make sense

M– if “a” woman can’t teach falsehood to “a” man, claim H & A as false teachers

C– they are deceived but know better;

(M showing signs of impatience at 7 min.)

M– mere opinions and philosophy, not scripture (he ignores scriptural basis)
M– calls sincerety in the heart is FALSE and RCC; relies on Calvinism here
M– moaning at 11 min.
M– still doesn’t get it, that people can be shown mercy because they are sinning in ignorance; accused C of teaching Palagianism

M– change subject to “the word ‘quiet’” hezukia=”subdued, quiet (not silent” = sagao)
M– argues that can’t be about false teaching cuz she’s told to be “less false” instead of “less quiet”
M– back to “husband of one wife” = must be a man
M– wants to bring in other passages to this one, but won’t let C do it
M– back to “less false”; still doesn’t get that “be quiet” applies to the teaching, not the fact that she should sit down and learn instead of teaching
C– tries and tries to explain her point; M doesn’t get it
C– Paul never says “stop women from teaching anything at all”
M– interrupting, voice getting higher, moaning at 24 min.; still going on about the meaning of “silent”; cut C off on this point

M– hetera didasko kaleto = false teaching, but not in 1 tim 3, so this can’t be about false teaching
M– compares her to JW again over this
M– keeps going on about CHAPTERS which are not in the originals
M– more moaning at 28 min;
M– she can still teach heresy while she learns! (”whew” at 30 min.)
M– wants to ‘red herring’ by asking C how things are in her marriage
C– “Im shy by nature” M– “oh really?” under breath
M– unsatisfactory, fabricating, reaching, answers from C
M– Paul has a pattern of using didasko only concerning true teaching (won’t let C cite patterns)
C– so she can’t teach / authority over men in CHURCH
M– suddenly doesn’t want didasko to mean ALWAYS sound teaching; never answered Q about women teaching correct doctrine
M– keeps waffling on whether women can teach correct doctrine

M– Adam had priority cuz Eve was “helpmeet”
C– Adam not deceived cuz first created, Eve deceived cuz created second; nothing to do with priority at all
M– Eve sinned cuz she didn’t go to her BOSS Adam to ask him what God meant (wow!)
M– didasko for true teaching but no, I didn’t say woman can’t ever teach true doctrine
M– “household of God” == CHURCH (oy)
M– cuts C off cuz he thinks she’s just babbling and telling “stories”
M– C can’t come back unless she stops with the “stories”; expects C to be an experienced debater like him or she “doesn’t know what you’re talking about”; he wants only short answers
M– more sighing at 43 min.

M– going on more about “in the church” and “authority”
M– women cant teach authoritatively in the church; elders have “authority”
C– why ALL women not allowed to teach from this passage?
M– C’s logic not good; back to “male” words in text, appeals to OT, STILL doesn’t know diff between grammatical and biological gender, men failing in taking authority “in the church”
M– Adam authority over Eve
M– men RULE well
M– created order = order of supremacy
M– C is teaching falsehood and hogging the show she was invited to; “it’s my show”
C– offered her dvd for hearing the other side
M– didn’t like her plugging that
M– thinks C is undermining the church and the home, deceived, says she should be absolutely silent
C– woman teach with authority sin? M won’t answer with def. ‘yes’
M– admitted she is in sin finally
C– am I sinning?
M– “I listen to heretics all the time, and C is one!”; don’t know if C is allowed back or not
M– back to “you know better” as in first debate; blamed C for not knowing Greek; keeps interrupting
M– long answers “drive me up the wall”; wants always short answers or nothing
M– women can’t have spiritual authority on basis of the flesh alone
M– said C used term “authority” illogically
C– OT did not stop women from teaching
M– all OT and NT teachers are male so end of story

M– wants a formal debate instead; still won’t commit to continuing here
C– why more patient with atheist than a sister in Christ
M– atheists are more polite than C; called her “dear”
M– “I can’t get a word in edgewise” (!!!)
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