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1 Have you watched Cheryl’s DVD? Before Cheryl discovered the issue of the perfect tense in v14, did you believe that the “she” of v 15 had to be “the woman” of v14, and this was an insurmountable problem and so Cheryl’s exegesis on the DVD must be wrong? Do you now believe that this is so?

Yes, I watched her DVD at least twice and a while ago. No, after watching her DVD I did not believe that “she” of v15 had to be “the woman” of v14. I never noticed the connection that I didn’t make between v14 & 15, that I should have. I thought “the woman” was Eve, and “she” was the woman of vv 11&12. I didn’t know or even think about how”she” had to link back to v14.

2 Just hypothetically, imagine that Cheryl has not yet realized about the perfect tense in v14, and no one has thought of the idea that “the woman” of v14 may not be Eve. Your only options are the “Eve representing women” view for v15, so that “she” in v15 matches “the woman” in v14, or Cheryl’s view from the DVD, which would you choose?

If I didn’t understand that “she” has to connect back to v14’s “the woman” I would chose Cheryl’s view. In that case, “the woman” of v14 is Eve and “she” is the woman of vv11&12. In this case, Eve doesn’t have to be a rep which is forced into the text to make sense of out the singular “but she will be saved if…” because Paul just can’t be talking about one woman! lol

3 How do you explain Paul’s reasoning in v13,14 without referring to the deception of Eve?

Paul’s one long thought went something like this: I don’t allow a woman to teach, for Adam was formed first then Eve, but Adam was not deceived, but this woman having been deceived has fallen into sin, but she will be saved if they remain in faith, love and holiness. When I think of Paul’s thought, as I read it and approach v14 I would have expected him to say Eve in v14, but instead he says “the woman” or “this woman”. With that expectation in mind, since he was talking of Adam and Eve in the previous v13, I can see that Eve and this woman are similar because of their deception. (But without understanding Eve’s deception in Genesis apart from 1 Tim 2, it may not have been an expectation). So going along reading his thought, I naturaly expect Paul to have written in “Eve” in v14.