justa berean

Teknomom = ”If Matt is to be consistent, he must say ‘yes’ to both questions or he can’t say Adam is over Eve due to his being created first and her being formed from him.”

Also, responsible reading of God’s Word does not insert principles where God does not. I am not aware of anywhere where God assigns leadership, superiority, or privilege according to birth order. That is something that came later, established by humans. Likely it was in response to waiting for the promised Messiah. And when God chooses leaders He often goes for the unlikely and even the last born. Moses, the first primary leader of Israel, was the last born.

”He CHANGES the meaning of “ezer” (bad KJV translation “helpmeet”) to a lower-rank assistant, knowing full well that this same word is used of God in relationship to Israel. This also ignores the fact that the one needing help is dependent upon what only the helper can supply.”

Here is a typical usage of ezer:
Exodus 18:4
And the other was named Eliezer, for he said, “The God of my father was my help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh.”

Ezer mean strong help, succour, aid. The prime root azar carries meanings of : to surround, ie, protect or aid, help, succour. Hebrew scholar Gesenius adds that the primary idea lies in girding, surrounding, hence defending

”So Genesis 3, which Matt takes as proof of authority of all men over all women for all time, does not support his view at all. He wrongly claims Adam was Eve’s boss before sin, and wrongly claims Eve usurped Adam’s alleged authority in the temptation. This makes a very shaky foundation for everything he builds upon it. And lest he demand that we bring in NT verses to supply his interpetations, we would remind him that he allowed no such thing from Cheryl. If she tried to use one scripture to interpret another, he always cut her off.”

This is the type of disrespect commonly given by gender hierarchalists. It galls them that a woman (whom they hold to be beneath them) would dare to instruct them or reveal them to be in error. It’s a tough one to overcome. I think we have to give him some credit for being willing to engage Cheryl given his opinions.

The authority factor that is missing in creation is a huge point. God said that THEY would hold sway over not each other or the man over the woman, but over the whole of creation. The authority given to them is a joint responsibility.

It is of some importance to note that the authority God prophesies the man will exhibit toward Eve (Ge. 3:16) , now that they have sinned, is not ordered by God. He warns the woman. He does not command the man.