Derek Vester

With as much respect as I can portray without you hearing my tone and seeing my body language I would say it sounds as if one of us is wrong on what we think unconditional election looks like. I believe unconditional election is God choosing us before creation, having nothing to do with any good seen in us but only for his own sovereign purpose and plan. Faith is the means by which (Greek dia) we are saved. If we don’t have faith we are not elect. We don’t know who are elect and we are told by Paul to make our election sure and to examine ourself. If John was elect he would have had faith in Jesus as Abraham did. I believe faith is a condition but that all elected will come to faith. I don’t know why, if God didn’t elect John, he wasn’t elected being the greatest born of a woman. I pray I am not coming across as rude or condescending at all as that would not be my intentions. I am not foolish enough to believe that I might not be wrong. 🙂 Thank you.