Cheryl Schatz

Peter, You wrote: Despite the fact that you continue to downplay my use of the scriptures (I find that amusing because ALL I am doing is looking at the relevant text here) – this verse puts a definitive limitation on this narrative in John 6. That is my scriptural answer. John 17:6 is referring to those who had already been given to Jesus, and specifically refers to the disciples. John 6:37, the verse we are referring to does not say “gave” but “give” (present tense). Jesus didn’t make a mistake on the grammar. The passage is not talking about those already given, (past tense in John 6:37). You are taking a view that Calvinists hold to as they cannot see the present tense but always go to John 17:6 to the past tense.