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Peter, you wrote: Although you have now moved to trying to determine my motives (a place I hoped we could avoid) – by pondering whether I am a dispensationalist, and if my feelings are clouding my pursuit of truth, I can tell you that I LOVE truth more than anything myself…Because you are only coming half way on the text and your view (it seems to me) still seems to hold some degree of unconditional election and is a hybrid view in that regard. Motive is different then presupposition. I am trying to understand where you are coming from. I asked you questions to determine your presuppositions. I find it interesting that you say that in your view I hold to some degree of unconditional election. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I hold no type of unconditional election to salvation. Just because I believe that the text says what it means does not cause me to add “unconditional” to the text. I recommend you read my articles about Judas and John the Baptist in the issue of predestination as that should help you to understand my view of no unconditional predestination. https://mmoutreach.org/tg/john-baptist/ https://mmoutreach.org/tg/juda-2/ It also might be helpful if you try to rephrase my view to see if you understand me correctly. It isn’t productive to debate a point that I don’t believe. You wrote: Re Judas, I think it is possible to believe and to not follow. So Judas was a believer just not a follower? And John 6 is talking about the kind of belief that the demons have? And when Jesus said that there are some who do not believe, Judas was not one of those unbelievers? Was Jesus’ point that some of the crowd believed less than the demons do? Or was His point that there are no unbelievers at all because everyone believes at least the very basic belief just as the demons do? Does Jesus calling Judas a devil then prove that Judas was a believer? I think I will wait for you to read through my articles, because you have a deep misunderstanding of my view.