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Well, said Greg.  I missed seeing that in Grudem’s stuff. It is excellent that he noted the “fence”.  Grudem’s problem is that he has demonstrated himself to be rather poor in dealing with the Greek.  But what Cheryl has put forth regarding the Greek “N” is easily verified from interlinears and other scholarly writings.  “Or” is a very weak and misleading  translation. But there is so much of that kind of weak translation going on throughout many Bible versions, that I shouldn’t be surprised.  🙂